Are believers Worshiping Satan in Gods disguise?

[psychoslice]

I personally don't think most so called believers know what their worshiping lol.

 

[morphesium]

I think you have to ask what are the benefits of religion? Literacy, the alphabet. Clocks and calendars. The ability to navigate the globe. Mathematics and geometry. Lots of things like that you take for granted come from religious people all throughout history. The printing press. Somebody invented that so that they could publish Bibles. Computers and the Bible... You ever read Genesis, the first chapter, the evening and the morning, cycles of day and night, God says it, and then God sees it, it's a very input/output algorithm.

Why would Satan, the adversary of humanity, want people to have such things at all?

Where on earth are you living? or at what age are you living? Religion taking advantage of achievements of science and scientists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You people torture and kill scientists and free thinkers. These were all achievements of free thinkers and scientists and it was necessity and human intelligence that lead to its creation.
Religion makes people narrow minded while claiming it makes them broadminded
Religion makes people morale-less while claiming it imparts high morale.
Religion claims to know all the answers while it answers nothing. And the only way achieve this is by executing/eliminating free thinkers and torturing them so that other would keep their mouth shut.

Humanity is cursed with religion in one form or another. Had there been no religion we at present would have been ahead of or times at least by 2000 years - in terms of science and technology, in terms of morale etc. you are just blinded by your religion or purposefully keeping your eyes shut.

 

[morphesium]

Are believers Worshiping Satan in Gods disguise?

Sorry, I'm going with 'No". The teachings of religion I find are basically good.

Is it religion alone that can teach those good things? In fact, scientific know how about teaching and learning process taking advantage of human psychology and good teaching skills along with good intentions and morale can impart much more good things.
Now consider the harm religion has done to humanity- human sacrifices, torturing, superstitions, hindering science and technology and the list is endless.
Religion has caused many peoples to be sacrificed or tortured just because they happened to know the things that you take for granted now, just because they happened to keep your religious beliefs.

 

[wizanda]

Religion

Think we need to be more specific, as there can be good religions to....There are just some brainwashing religious doctrines out there, that cause most of these issues.... They're also clear within the text, that they've been brainwashed with its repeated dogma; where as some religions can provoke insight.

So maybe your question of satan needs to be applied in its original context, an accuser/adversary.... Within the mind of man, it is like a virus within The Matrix; that has become systemic within out thought.
So all these religious contractual accusative texts, what if that isn't God talking; yet is the Ego driven mind, often controlled by the accuser (satan) within us?

 

[JoStories]

He is all powerful, but chose to create free will.

Again, free will. If humans want to preach falsly, they may do it.

I am telling, that whenever you follow something which is good, you are following God. Even if a Satan gives you that good advice.

What is 'good'? What is 'bad'? Can you define these two concepts in the absence of culture or time period? What was allegedly good 2000 years ago would clearly not be germane today. IE: Slavery, outright murder of those who would not pay homage to one particular god, and so on. Would you say that the WBC is doing 'good' work? What about cults, or are these groups 'bad'? What is the criteria that defines 'good'? Is what is good for a Muslim the same ideals for a Christian or Buddhist or Hindu?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The Torah also prohibits:

Murder
Theft
Lying
Adultery
Disrespect to parents
Fraud
Incest
Bestiality
Human sacrifice
Treating strangers badly
Having false scales
Taking usury from your brother (i.e, people of your ethnicity)
Not helping poor people (duty to help them)
Letting your neighbour's animal go astray
Kidnap & selling your fellow countryman into slavery
Removing landmarks
Misleading the blind
Bribery
Striking your neighbour
&c.
&c.

Sure sounds like the Devil to me!

What if it is the Devil and he's just a great guy?

 

[morphesium]

Think we need to be more specific, as there can be good religions to....There are just some brainwashing religious doctrines out there, that cause most of these issues.... They're also clear within the text, that they've been brainwashed with its repeated dogma; where as some religions can provoke insight.

Most religion is often credited to an exceptional Person. They take people or society from dark ages and enlighten them. Unfortunately just like ordinary people these great ones also die. So laws that were made are kept as such. Not (never) to be changed at all. Often a “God part or holiness” is amended to it over time for a much greater voice. Then existing scientific proofs are added to give it more credibility. Money, power and politics take their share on it. (Somewhere at this point religions tend to get dirty since surplus money and unchecked power not only corrupts itself but also attracts or lure in more bad people than good). Rituals and practices make it imprinted on those who practice it. This is how a typical religion is formed.
Do we need religion to provoke insight? morale is within us- in all of us (at varying levels). We can be taught and trained scientifically to keep even higher morale and insight.

So maybe your question of satan needs to be applied in its original context, an accuser/adversary.... Within the mind of man, it is like a virus within The Matrix; that has become systemic within out thought.
So all these religious contractual accusative texts, what if that isn't God talking; yet is the Ego driven mind, often controlled by the accuser (satan) within us?

I do agree with these.

 

[morphesium]

You are preaching deism (imo) and to me that is the easy way out, i.e. God created us and gave us free will to do as we please and left us alone. And then by extension, since according to deism we have no messages coming from above it won’t matter to Him what we do or don’t do.
To me that makes no sense. If God did not care what we do then what is the purpose for even having an earth with trials and suffering? Why not just create us all in heaven and bypass the drama?

And religion is depriving our free will. It is against your free will. Through religion it is the satan who wins. Satan is making use of human psychology and mental addiction to propel itself forward. Why is that there are people in other religions who are sticking to their religion and not yours? ( or the way you do with other religion?).

I submit Jesus Christ is thee divine manifestation and thee answer to what’s it all about. Prior to that the Word says it is written on the hearts of all man that there is a God who gave them life and they have an innate desire or knowledge to acknowledge their Creator. They will be judged according to their own “well formed” consciences. In other words, man knows stealing and violence and murder, et al. is wrong. To go against that will have its ramifications in the eternal. But once Jesus and His miracles and the miracles that followed validating the words of His prophets came on the scene, now man has been shown so much more. To those who have been given those signs and wonders, they have more to embrace and not so easily turn their backs on without good cause.

They have shown signs and wonders - these are all made up stories to lure people in. You believe in it just because a 9 month old boy stood up and talked like a knowledgeable person? The world created in six days?
Do you believe that the sun is at the center of the solar system? or that earth is not at the center of the universe? you know the basics of human anatomy? ( what the brain does, what the heart does and its position etc). If you do, then it is enough for an 18 century christian priest to say " Torture and Burn Thau at stake- he is speaking against the Holy bible! let him repent". ( Trust me, chruch behaved this way to many in the past - just google it.)
what crime have you done?.

 

[Quintessence]

You know, I gotta say, after reading some of these foaming-at-the-mouth ramblings of the OP, I haven't the foggiest idea what this "religion" is the OP keeps going on about. Clearly "religion" is a euphemism here for "scapegoat" and "satan" and bears little to no correspondence to actual religion.

 

[morphesium]

And yet a third option is that G-d only created one Holy Book and then others liked the idea and took it for themselves. Kind of like when Hello Kitty comes out and a month later there are 14 different knock-offs.

God could have created the same book in numerous religions all across the world at once. so why didn't he do that? why did he need a holy book in the first place - he could have avoided it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Religion has done much more harm to humanity than good.

And, yet, religion has inspired great acts of charity, many religious people have made strides in improving our knowledge of the world, many of the greatest works of art are religious, and even without the political corruption of religion, "Enlightened" philosophers and politicians may have not seen the urgent need for separation of church and state and establishing a secular state when those things began to appear.
And, of course, there are plenty of religions which make the claim "has done much more harm than good" a laughably absurd claim.

 

[George-ananda]

Is it religion alone that can teach those good things? In fact, scientific know how about teaching and learning process taking advantage of human psychology and good teaching skills along with good intentions and morale can impart much more good things.
Now consider the harm religion has done to humanity- human sacrifices, torturing, superstitions, hindering science and technology and the list is endless.
Religion has caused many peoples to be sacrificed or tortured just because they happened to know the things that you take for granted now, just because they happened to keep your religious beliefs.

Your question I was responding to was 'Are believers Worshiping Satan in Gods disguise?'. And I answered No. I never said you can not find evil/wrong actions done in the name of religion.

Science can not (at least at this time) tell us about matters beyond the physical plane and I believe there is more to this universe than what we can perceive. I through the teaching of spiritual (religious) teachers and phenomena science tries to denigrate (spiritual and paranormal experiences) believe beyond reasonable doubt that I am more than a physical being.

Between religion and science I'd prefer religion as it provides greater meaning to my existence than science can.

 

[morphesium]

Try going on the Hinduism DIR and telling them that Hinduism has been bad for Indian culture.

For me it is hard to talk about Hinduism.

There are over a thousand Gods each with a thousand incarnations ( kidding here ) and yet people existing quite peacefully there. Thats something marvelous - a feat not much other religions can claim.
However, i do have concerns about superstions, attrocities of Man-god(s).

From this link here

Members of lndia’s Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still sacrifice goats to Kali.

Take the example of homosexuality in Abrahamic faiths. I think both you and I agree that these religions are not truths revealed by God. They are man made. The religions that condemn homosexuality are man made. Therefore dislike of homosexuality preceded these religions, the ones you say are the cause of prejudices like these.

Also, the 20th and 21st centuries are proof that lack of religion does not make us more moral. So I don't know why we blast "religion" as the root of all evil. I put "religion" in quotation marks because I think you're actually only referring to a small number of faiths in one are of the world.

I do agree that lack of religion does not make us more moral or less moral. But lack of religion definitely makes one more scientific tempered, more inclined towards science - that we have to solve our problems ourselves. From eradicating poverty, to diseases, to national calamities and so on. I do believe scientific know how about teaching and learning process taking advantage of human psychology and good teaching skills along with good intentions and morale can impart much more morality and good qualities to others than that is possible through religion.

I know what you mean. Religion can be turned on its head quickly. Score one for science.

I suppose that kind of God would be able to tell apart those who were racist and/or immoral from those who were brainwashed or fooled into following a certain religion or denomination.

The reason why i posted the original post is that religion is very addictive. if left unchecked the evil side of religion can easily overcome its own goodness or its own initial intentions. I believe Moderation is a key aspect in every religion and i believe that everyone (believers) should keep their religious beliefs moderated. questioning our religious beliefs definitely checks it.

 

[wizanda]

This is how a typical religion is formed.
Do we need religion to provoke insight?

Religion is a group of people with a belief.... So anything with enough followers can be a religion; before then it is often called a cult.

Thus Jedi has become a religion, due to the ideas it provokes.

We've got to be careful, not automatically assigning the originators as establishing the religion, as often the ones with real insight, weren't started like that.

Lao Tzu, Yeshua, Buddha, etc all had great insight; the religious practises were created after by others.

 

[Etritonakin]

Are believers Worshiping Satan in Gods disguise?

Sorry, I'm going with 'No". The teachings of religion I find are basically good.

....which is the easiest way to deceive people -taking what is basically good and turning it into whatever you want -achieving an end result which is not good, etc....
It has to look good, after all. If it is too obvious, people won't fall for it.

 

[morphesium]

Religion is a group of people with a belief.... So anything with enough followers can be a religion; before then it is often called a cult.

Thus Jedi has become a religion, due to the ideas it provokes.

We've got to be careful, not automatically assigning the originators as establishing the religion, as often the ones with real insight, weren't started like that.

Lao Tzu, Yeshua, Buddha, etc all had great insight; the religious practises were created after by others.

I agree with you . I wish more people realize these.

 

[thau]

And religion is depriving our free will. It is against your free will. Through religion it is the satan who wins. Satan is making use of human psychology and mental addiction to propel itself forward. Why is that there are people in other religions who are sticking to their religion and not yours? ( or the way you do with other religion?).

They have shown signs and wonders - these are all made up stories to lure people in. You believe in it just because a 9 month old boy stood up and talked like a knowledgeable person? The world created in six days?
Do you believe that the sun is at the center of the solar system? or that earth is not at the center of the universe? you know the basics of human anatomy? ( what the brain does, what the heart does and its position etc). If you do, then it is enough for an 18 century christian priest to say " Torture and Burn Thau at stake- he is speaking against the Holy bible! let him repent". ( Trust me, chruch behaved this way to many in the past - just google it.)
what crime have you done?.

It is my opinion that you are getting more attention than you deserve. I mean, how many false statements does one have to wade through to begin to have an exchange? Post#42 alone is not that of a rational one.

 

[George-ananda]

....which is the easiest way to deceive people -taking what is basically good and turning it into whatever you want -achieving an end result which is not good, etc....
It has to look good, after all. If it is too obvious, people won't fall for it.

That is probably true. But I do think religion and religious people overwhelmingly have genuine good at the bottom of their hearts.

 

[Tumah]

God could have created the same book in numerous religions all across the world at once. so why didn't he do that? why did he need a holy book in the first place - he could have avoided it.

Because it wasn't meant for the whole world. It was meant for the people who it was given to.

 

[ChristineES]

I don't believe for one second that anyone is worshiping Satan instead when they believe they are worshiping G-d. If I did, where would I believe the line was drawn? I couldn't very well say to someone, "You believe almost believe everything I do, except _______, therefore you are worshiping Satan" and mostly because I might be the one who is wrong. Virtually every sect of Christianity, and other followers of Yeshua, read the same Bible I read. I've compared different translations and nearly all of them say the same things, although in a different way.

I keep the command Jesus gave: "Condemn not, and you will not be condemned".