Are Christians Human-Worshipers?

[JM2C]

That's one way to look at it. Another way, is that the NT is a fictional account based on a historical figure. Which would kind of mean that they worship a fictional character.

You mean NT based on OT?

‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’ ” –Matthew 2:6, NT

“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.” –Micah 5:2, OT

 

[Tarheeler]

Depends on your perspective.

Most Christians see Jesus as God, so, from their perspective, they are worshiping God alone.

From a Jewish perspective, God has no form. Claiming that a man is God is blasphemy, and worshiping that man is idolatry.

 

[Tumah]

You mean NT based on OT?

‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’ ” –Matthew 2:6, NT

“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.” –Micah 5:2, OT

You must be a JW since the JW religion is based on the NT which is based on the OT, right?

 

[JM2C]

Yes, he was human like us.

From where did He come from? Or how He became human like us?

 

[JM2C]

You must be a JW since the JW religion is based on the NT which is based on the OT, right?

No, not one of them, are you? “From the days of eternity.” –Micah 5:2, OT. They don’t believe the Lord Jesus Christ came from eternity.

 

[Tumah]

No, not one of them, are you? “From the days of eternity.” –Micah 5:2, OT. They don’t believe the Lord Jesus Christ came from eternity.

Yes but since you believe the NT is true, the obviously any book or religion based on the NT ill be true as well, right? That was the logic you just used with me when you said "You mean NT based on OT?" Therefore JW must be correct as well. And Islam and Baha'i etc.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus was human. So does it make Christians human-worshippers?

Jesus is also fully Divine. It is the Divinity that Xtians worship -- not the humanity.

 

[pro4life]

That's one way to look at it. Another way, is that the NT is a fictional account based on a historical figure. Which would kind of mean that they worship a fictional character.

NT?

 

[pro4life]

No, true Christians love and rever Jesus, but do not worship him. (Matthew 4:10)

So christianity is a relationship not a religion, is it?

 

[Ingledsva]

No -Christ was an immortal being who temporarily inhabited a human body. He was also the same being seen in the Old Testament as a pillar of fire and a pillar of smoke -and Moses saw the back parts of his glorious body. That doesn't make the worshipers of God worshipers of fire, smoke, or even glorious bodies.

Many Christians do err by focusing more on Christ than the Father, but the Father deems him worthy of praise, adoration, glory, honor, etc.

NONE of the events in Tanakh are about Jesus.

Nor does the NT say there is a trinity.

Nor does Jesus say he is part of a trinity.

Jesus was claiming to be the awaited Messiah from Tanakh.

That Messiah was to be a special HUMAN from the line of David - NOT A GOD!

Any Jew can tell you that.

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[Forever_Catholic]

No, true Christians love and rever Jesus, but do not worship him. (Matthew 4:10)

Matthew 4:10 - Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"
God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus, God the Son, came to earth both fully human and fully divine. True Christians do worship Jesus because he is God.

 

[Forever_Catholic]

Nor does the NT say there is a trinity.

Nor does Jesus say he is part of a trinity.

The NT does not say "Trinity," but it certainly says Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus specified that we are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and you might note that he said "name" in the singular.

 

[Tumah]

NT?

New Testament?

 

[Desert Snake]

So christianity is a relationship not a religion, is it?

Both; the relationship takes precedence over the religion aspect.
'Real' Xianity recognizes the divinity of Jesus, either as the incarnation of the father, ie, .literal;, or part Deity. The idea that Jesus is just a Rabbi, so forth, is a sort of 'backwards figuring' obtained from reading Scripture with a pre-conceived notion of 'who' Jesus is.
Non=Deific Jesus Xians are basically ignoring the 'traditional'' religious aspects, beliefs, related to Jesus's Divinity.

 

[wizanda]

Yes, they even paint god as a man sitting on a cloud, with a son who was a man.... God has no image.

 

[JM2C]

Jesus was human. So does it make Christians human-worshippers?

That's one way to look at it. Another way, is that the NT is a fictional account based on a historical figure. Which would kind of mean that they worship a fictional character.

You mean NT based on OT?
‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’ ” –Matthew 2:6, NT
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.” –Micah 5:2, OT

Yes but since you believe the NT is true, the obviously any book or religion based on the NT ill be true as well, right? That was the logic you just used with me when you said "You mean NT based on OT?" Therefore JW must be correct as well. And Islam and Baha'i etc.

If you follow the thread from pro4life to yours and to my post, we are still talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, right? In Micah 5:2 it says, the One who was born in “Bethlehem”, from “the clans of Judah”, “From the days of eternity”, is the Lord Jesus Christ. None of these religions that you mentioned here, JW, Islam and Baha’i, believe that the Lord Jesus Christ came from eternity or as John would say it in his gospel, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”, or He was "from the days of eternity -Micah 5:2"

 

[Ingledsva]

The NT does not say "Trinity," but it certainly says Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus specified that we are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and you might note that he said "name" in the singular.

"Onoma" - here, should be "authority".

Depart/travel and teach all nations; Baptize them with the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy POWER.

The only names we have are YHVH, and Iesous, - the Holy Spirit/Power - obviously has no name because it is power, not a person.

Trinity is never taught in the Bible.

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[Ingledsva]

If you follow the thread from pro4life to yours and to my post, we are still talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, right? In Micah 5:2 it says, the One who was born in “Bethlehem”, from “the clans of Judah”, “From the days of eternity”, is the Lord Jesus Christ. None of these religions that you mentioned here, JW, Islam and Baha’i, believe that the Lord Jesus Christ came from eternity or as John would say it in his gospel, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”, or He was "from the days of eternity -Micah 5:2"

Actually if you read John 1 in the Greek - ALL come from God, and John is the first special one to come forth.

ALL are with God in the beginning.

Jesus is just a special human - supposedly - the awaited Messiah.

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[JM2C]

Actually if you read John 1 in the Greek - ALL come from God, and John is the first special one to come forth.


ALL are with God in the beginning.


Jesus is just a special human - supposedly - the awaited Messiah.


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Good to see you again. Please read this to understand. John 1:1 Interlinear: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

 

[Akivah]

Christians worship a man and it's human nature that they do so. Their god has a physical form. They show him on pictures, on statutes, on big sculptures in their churches, and even wear him around their necks. It is human nature to fixate on physical objects and representations. G-d taught us that lesson by the teaching of the bronze snake. Since Jews started venerating the physical object of the snake, it was destroyed. Christians never learned that lesson and as a result, they now worship the physical representation of a man.