Are Democrats Sexist?

[Revoltingest]

The title was inspired by the recurring defense of VP Harris
that I hear on NPR....again today. Biden initially proffered
the idea that his presidency was a stepping stone into a
new generation. It appeared that Harris was being groomed
to replace him in 2024. But they (NPR & Democrat guests)
explain that she's victimized by being a first...first minority
VP...first woman VP...& this is being held against her.
She's criticized unfairly & severely because of her gender.
This is keeping her from being supported for Prez in 2024.

I wonder if they're aware of the implications of these claims?
It would have to be her own party that is holding her back
because of sexism. I'm hearing mostly her own side
criticizing her.


My view is that this isn't about sexism. It's her failure to
inspire support due to lack of showing leadership. I'm
not saying she isn't capable...just that her party doesn't
see her that way, particularly regarding beating Trump.
And that's a cromulent concern.
At some point she must rise above having reasons for
her lack of appeal. She must actually garner support.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't know that I'd go with sexist. Like you, I have never seen anything like what I would call "leadership," or an ability to inspire.

And I'll be honest with you -- I've been in the business of trying to develop people for most of my life, and those qualities are not things that I really believe can be learned. In my view, these require two things: the ability to see, in your own mind, what I call a "richly-imagined future," and second, the ability to communicate that to others. Those are not qualities that Harris has, unfortunately.

 

[fantome profane]

The title was inspired by the recurring defense of VP Harris
that I hear on NPR....again today. Biden initially proffered
the idea that his presidency was a stepping stone into a
new generation. It appeared that Harris was being groomed
to replace him in 2024. But they (NPR & Democrat guests)
explain that she's victimized by being a first...first minority
VP...first woman VP...& this is being held against her.
She's criticized unfairly & severely because of her gender.
This is keeping her from being supported for Prez in 2024.

I wonder if they're aware of the implications of these claims?
It would have to be her own party that is holding her back
because of sexism. I'm hearing mostly her own side
criticizing her.


My view is that this isn't about sexism. It's her failure to
inspire support due to lack of showing leadership. I'm
not saying she isn't capable...just that her party doesn't
see her that way, particularly regarding beating Trump.
And that's a cromulent concern.
At some point she must rise above having reasons for
her lack of appeal. She must actually garner support.

Can I ask, how much leadership have other VP‘s shown while they were VP?

The job of VP has historically been considered a nothing job. Yes there are exceptions. One exception being Biden himself. But Pence was like a plastic mannequin when he was VP, until the actual insurrection. But we don’t want another insurrection just so the VP can show a moment of leadership. Some thought Dick Cheney was the real President, but we don’t want that either. Gore, Qualye and even Bush were generally considered nothing burgers when they were VP.

I have been impressed with Harris since she was in the Senate, and she was my favourite in the 2020 Democratic Primary. I think she would make a great President.

 

[Revoltingest]

Can I ask, how much leadership have other VP‘s shown while they were VP?

Pence managed to cultivate some.
Even more so when he resisted Trump's call
to stage a coup by overturning the election.
Of course while that raised his visibility, it
will also work against him in the MAGA cult.

The job of VP has historically been considered a nothing job. Yes there are exceptions. One exception being Biden himself. But Pence was like a plastic mannequin when he was VP, until the actual insurrection. But we don’t want another insurrection just so the VP can show a moment of leadership. Some thought Dick Cheney was the real President, but we don’t want that either. Gore, Qualye and even Bush were generally considered nothing burgers when they were VP.

I have been impressed with Harris since she was in the Senate, and she was my favourite in the 2020 Democratic Primary. I think she would make a great President.

If you think I'm arguing that she should distinguish
herself as VP, I'm not. Fellow Democrats are the
ones criticizing her & her party for lack of support.
I make no predictions how she'd perform as President.
I don't see her as better or worse than Biden.

 

[fantome profane]

Pence managed to cultivate some.

Until that actually moment, no. I don’t remember Pence inspiring anyone. Certainly not more than Harris has.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know that I'd go with sexist. Like you, I have never seen anything like what I would call "leadership," or an ability to inspire.

And I'll be honest with you -- I've been in the business of trying to develop people for most of my life, and those qualities are not things that I really believe can be learned. In my view, these require two things: the ability to see, in your own mind, what I call a "richly-imagined future," and second, the ability to communicate that to others. Those are not qualities that Harris has, unfortunately.

What you describe would still point to Democrats
exhibiting sexism, but in the form of excusing her
weakness as sexist perception when it isn't, ie,
falsely accusing their fellows of sexism because
Harris is female.

 

[Revoltingest]

Until that actually moment, no. I don’t remember Pence inspiring anyone. Certainly not more than Harris has.

I recall that Pence appeared to be a strong supporter
of everything Trump did. This doesn't necessarily
show leadership, but it could be perceived as such.

Republicans ought to be supporting him instead of
Trump because of his far far greater support for
the rule of constitutional law, while still being
conservative. Alas, Trump's cult has hold of many.

 

[fantome profane]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652534317157842944

 

[Augustus]

I try to pay as little attention to US politics as I can so may be wrong here, but didn't Biden promise he'd choose a black woman as his running mate?

If he'd wanted to do this he could have kept quiet about it then simply chosen Harris and then she'd perhaps have seemed like the best person for the job, but once you state it out loud it seems like a 'diversity hire'.

Has she done anything since then to make it seem anything other than this? (I have no idea if she has been good or bad, but Biden didn't help her with his framing of her selection, although he probably helped himself with it).

 

[Revoltingest]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652534317157842944

That seems myopic, ignoring earlier examples of
the same attitude. It's a common tool to attribute
a woman's failure to someone else being sexist.
Such was the case with Hillary, & many Dems failed
to recognize her shortcomings because they focused
on the excuse of voter sexism. (Yet she won the
popular vote, which is quite an accomplishment.)

One can learn from failure, but not from excuses.

 

[Friend of Mara]

The title was inspired by the recurring defense of VP Harris
that I hear on NPR....again today. Biden initially proffered
the idea that his presidency was a stepping stone into a
new generation. It appeared that Harris was being groomed
to replace him in 2024. But they (NPR & Democrat guests)
explain that she's victimized by being a first...first minority
VP...first woman VP...& this is being held against her.
She's criticized unfairly & severely because of her gender.
This is keeping her from being supported for Prez in 2024.

I wonder if they're aware of the implications of these claims?
It would have to be her own party that is holding her back
because of sexism. I'm hearing mostly her own side
criticizing her.


My view is that this isn't about sexism. It's her failure to
inspire support due to lack of showing leadership. I'm
not saying she isn't capable...just that her party doesn't
see her that way, particularly regarding beating Trump.
And that's a cromulent concern.
At some point she must rise above having reasons for
her lack of appeal. She must actually garner support.

Can I get some clarification to the question? Are we asking if the democrats are especially sexist or if they are more sexist than other political proponents or simply more sexist than the average population or that they are to some degree sexist while attempting to state they are pure and free from such faults?

 

[Revoltingest]

Can I get some clarification to the question? Are we asking if the democrats are especially sexist or if they are more sexist than other political proponents or simply more sexist than the average population or that they are to some degree sexist while attempting to state they are pure and free from such faults?

I dint imply "especially".
You could infer "at all" if you want.
We're considering specific sexism possibilitie...
- Sexism towards Harris.
- Meta-sexism, ie, making a faux accusation of sexism
(cuz Harris is female) to excuse her failure to launch.

Note:
I don't claim she's a failure in any sense other
than getting support to run for Prez in 2024.

 

[Colt]

The title was inspired by the recurring defense of VP Harris
that I hear on NPR....again today. Biden initially proffered
the idea that his presidency was a stepping stone into a
new generation. It appeared that Harris was being groomed
to replace him in 2024. But they (NPR & Democrat guests)
explain that she's victimized by being a first...first minority
VP...first woman VP...& this is being held against her.
She's criticized unfairly & severely because of her gender.
This is keeping her from being supported for Prez in 2024.

I wonder if they're aware of the implications of these claims?
It would have to be her own party that is holding her back
because of sexism. I'm hearing mostly her own side
criticizing her.


My view is that this isn't about sexism. It's her failure to
inspire support due to lack of showing leadership. I'm
not saying she isn't capable...just that her party doesn't
see her that way, particularly regarding beating Trump.
And that's a cromulent concern.
At some point she must rise above having reasons for
her lack of appeal. She must actually garner support.

VP Harris was chosen for racist and sexist reasons. Honest people know why she was chosen. History will be able to say, "Biden chose the first female and first black VP". It had nothing to do with her qualifications as a leader. It's a "box check". With identify politics, it's about how things look, feel and sound. Its virtue signaling.

If Harris was truly being groomed, then Biden has failed in that commitment!

 

[Revoltingest]

VP Harris was chosen for racist and sexist reasons. Honest people know why she was chosen. History will be able to say, "Biden chose the first female and first black VP". It had nothing to do with her qualifications as a leader. It's a "box check". With identify politics, it's about how things look, feel and sound. Its virtue signaling.

If Harris was truly being groomed, then Biden has failed in that commitment!

Aye, he did trumpet his primary criteria.

 

[Twilight Hue]

VP Harris was chosen for racist and sexist reasons. Honest people know why she was chosen. History will be able to say, "Biden chose the first female and first black VP". It had nothing to do with her qualifications as a leader. It's a "box check". With identify politics, it's about how things look, feel and sound. Its virtue signaling.

If Harris was truly being groomed, then Biden has failed in that commitment!

Bodens administration is basically a showpiece.

Look I got a black woman, look I got a non binary guy...oops I said guy,,,, err with lipstick and a passion for stealing luggage with designer dresses, look etc etc....

 

[Colt]

Bodens administration is basically a showpiece.

Look I got a black woman, look I got a non binary guy...oops I said guy,,,, err with lipstick and a passion for stealing luggage with designer dresses, look etc etc....

Thats what's important! But I feel someone was left out and I won't be comfortable until I right this oppression. The trans/baggage thief, a two for one representative of minority groups. I was once a thief myself but remained closeted until I stopped stealing!

 

[Friend of Mara]

I dint imply "especially".
You could infer "at all" if you want.
We're considering specific sexism possibilitie...
- Sexism towards Harris.
- Meta-sexism, ie, making a faux accusation of sexism
(cuz Harris is female) to excuse her failure to launch.

Note:
I don't claim she's a failure in any sense other
than getting support to run for Prez in 2024.

Then yes I would say Democrats are somewhat Sexist for sure. Is Harris's unpopularity rooted in sexism? Hard to say. Probably not? I remember that many people said the same thing about Hillary but as a female feminist I really really really hated her as a candidate so I don't think it was just because she was a woman. I have problems with Harris because she is a cop. She has put many people behind bars that didn't deserve to be there and I'm generally against authoritarian figures especially police state figures. Show me a candidate getting arrested not arresting someone.

 

[Estro Felino]

If we speak of the sociological, psychological and anthropological implications of the Democratic Party's choice, yes, I'd say sexism plays a significant role.
But not as the OP depicted it.
This is my personal opinion, of course, but many fellow Europeans agree with me.
I guess the Left in the US has always conveyed the message that heterosexual men are too strong, too dominant, too overbearing and so they need to be considered antithetical to women. In politics, I mean.
Because women are considered weak and fragile, as fragile as a very delicate porcelain vase.

And this misconception about the two sexes is a great obstacle.
A female politician should be chosen because of her capabilities and because she is better than a man at the job.
Not because she is a former FLOTUS, or something like that.
That's horrible. That means that her credibility derives from a man.