Whateverist
Active Member
Elephants are the largest living land animals. Does that separate them from animals or distinguish them as a particular animal? I think humans and elephants are particular animals with distinguishing characteristics.
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Are Humans Animals Or Not ?
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Elephants are the largest living land animals. Does that separate them from animals or distinguish them as a particular animal? I think humans and elephants are particular animals with distinguishing characteristics.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
But not to tedious to say? Animals do have sufficient awareness to know the difference so you statement is confusing and undependable. Leave out the words good and evil and replace with what is good or helpful vs what is destructive and unhelpful and you have animals who clearly have this awareness. The word evil is of course problematic itself.
stvdv
Veteran Member
This says a lot about you. What you see in others is in you
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Sounds like the equivalent of the juvenile "I know you are but what am I???"
Audie
Veteran Member
So..since you are thus seeing superiority/narcicissm in
in your friend there, you are admitting to it in
yourself.
Hence the Wisdom of the Ages;
Judge not, lesr thou be judged.
and
Admit not lest thou be admitted.
stvdv
Veteran Member
My words were twisted and/or misread again
Note:
What you see in others, obviously is in you (similar as to "what you eat is in you", that is true for all senses).
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Your statement is false. It belittles the true potential of all animals. You seem to be trying to make yourself to be supernatural and outside the reality of our world.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
Yes. Quite obviously.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
When you use the word higher, what to you exactly mean?
Starise
Member
When compared to the rest of the animal kingdom I can't simply classify man as another animal. I mean, we are leaps and bounds above everything else. Not perfect by any means, but still no other creature on earth even comes close to what we are, so even if I were a naturalist I would have to consider this huge difference between us and them if I were honest with myself.
We are aware that we are aware that we are aware. Look at a glass of water. Are you aware you're looking at it? Are you aware of that secondary awareness and the 3rd awareness which is to say you are aware that you are aware that you are aware? This is a distinct difference from animals that shows a higher level of awareness.
We live in an environment with animals, that is if we don't end up killing all of them. We share the commonalities necessary for our function here that are also shared by animals. It doesn't mean we are anything like them.
We are aware that we are aware that we are aware. Look at a glass of water. Are you aware you're looking at it? Are you aware of that secondary awareness and the 3rd awareness which is to say you are aware that you are aware that you are aware? This is a distinct difference from animals that shows a higher level of awareness.
We live in an environment with animals, that is if we don't end up killing all of them. We share the commonalities necessary for our function here that are also shared by animals. It doesn't mean we are anything like them.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
1. Is our organs or physiology different than other animals?
2. How do you know how much awareness other animals have?
3. Are we more aware of everything than other animals. Are we aware of the magnetic fields than other animals
4. Do we live more in harmony with other life than other animals?
5. Is the diversity in life increasing with better environments for life as a measure of hour "higher" ability?
Starise
Member
1. It is similar in some cases as a generalization.
2. I never mentioned animals here, only us. I'm sure many are aware but I don't think they have the same capabilities.
3. I think we may need to define awareness. I believe there are several definitions.
4. I think we live generally in LESS harmony with other life than other animals. I believe we are fallen and so we exhibit those characterisics.
5. Not sure I am exactly understanding your question here, but I would guess you are arguing for a level playing field with us respective of animals.
I frankly don't see anything getting better under our present conditions.
2. I never mentioned animals here, only us. I'm sure many are aware but I don't think they have the same capabilities.
3. I think we may need to define awareness. I believe there are several definitions.
4. I think we live generally in LESS harmony with other life than other animals. I believe we are fallen and so we exhibit those characterisics.
5. Not sure I am exactly understanding your question here, but I would guess you are arguing for a level playing field with us respective of animals.
I frankly don't see anything getting better under our present conditions.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But we're nowhere near as fast as a cheetah and nowhere as agile in trees as a chimp.
My point is that it's our brain that is huge as compared to other animals.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Why do we feel the need to see ourselves different than other animals? What is exactly wrong with being happy we are animals? And what does does higher really mean?
Starise
Member
You bring up a good point. We have huge brains and lack abilities of other animals. We have our strengths which far surpass the rest of the animal kingdom. Our brains, the capacity to make sophisticated tools. The capacity to make tools that make other tools. We can accumulate and build on knowledge. I've ony scratched the tip of the iceberg here.
Because we ARE different. Quite different. I wholeheartedly believe we were created by God as the apex of his creation on this earth.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
This is where we are different. We were shaped by the goddess to be a part of something much bigger than human. We are not greater than any other life of which we would not exist without but can be an equal part of contributing to our wonderous world. It is when we think we are greater than, superior than, or more important is when everything started to go wrong. You only need to see what we have done to this amazing and wonderous world to see what the I am greater than does. We are literally destroying the world which created us so how can we be greater.
Heyo
Veteran Member
When compared to the rest of the humans, I can't simply classify myself as another human. I mean, I am leaps and bounds above everyone else. Not perfect by any means, but still no other man on earth even comes close to what I am, so even if you weren't a naturalist, you would have to consider this huge difference between me and them if you were honest with yourself.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
ROFL! Great joke!
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There's not a single thing on that list that an animal somewhere can't do. That includes their ability to use their brains as well.
10 Animals That Use Tools
From crows that craft twigs into usable objects to elephants that morph tree branches into fly swatters, the animal kingdom is full of adept tool makers.