Are muslim extremists enemies of humanity?

[Looncall]

The Muslims that follow Isis aren't Muslims either. People love to point out the bad parts in the Quran but completely ignore good parts. The Quran already stated there us no compulsion in the religion, one shouldn't torture or kill innocents or livestock either. Muhammad was fighting against Arab pagans who were oppressing them. Not all of Islam was spread by the sword as some countries adopted it or influenced by it at least. Same with Christianity. With the holy books, I don't think it's God's word, but humans interpreting God's word.

Yeah, sure.
So why is there so much compulsion in religion in muslim societies? Why is torture so endemic in muslim countries that others send their victims there to have it done on the sly?

The best that can be said for islam is that it is ineffective in suppressing barbarity. If the bad parts cause so much harm, why would anyone care about the good parts?

 

[leibowde84]

Well the Lords resistance army comes to mind in Uganda which is a christian terrorist group. The kingdom of Israel was a Jewish terrorist group. Babbar khalsa is a Sikh nationalist movement involved in terrorist activities. The national liberation front of Tripura is another Christian terrorist group. You see, the are non Muslim terrorist groups but they don't count right? The lives they took don't count because they aren't on the headlines right? People really need to look at themselves before they judge others. People are just looking for reasons to hate Muslims. Those terrorists don't represent Islam. Hundreds of millions of Muslim s don't do what they do.

There are Muslims that do condemn the violence but the ignorant people are saying "Muslims don't condemn terrorism!" So loud they can't hear the muslims that are condemning it. I know enough there is good and evil in all of us, Muslim and non Muslim alike. Don't tell me you don't like them because they have messed up stuff in the Quran. Yeah, because there aren't messed up stuff in the Torah and new testament right? Even some of the Hindu texts have disturbing things. But religions today aren't the same as they were years ago. You judge a person on their actions, not because of a book written thousands of years ago.

It's time we wake up and look at the whole picture. Looking with a narrow minded view gives you a narrow minded perspective.

The Kingdom of Israel? Lol.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Allow me to let everyone know the good parts of the Quran. I can do the same for any other holy scripture. Oh and leibowde84 there was a Jewish terrorist group called the kingdom of Israel. Look it up if you don't believe me.


And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture.--2:113

Don't confuse truth with falsehood or knowingly conceal the truth. 2:42

Pay the poor-due. 2:43, 110, 277
Be good to parents, relatives, orphans, and the needy. Speak kindly and pay the poor-due. 2:83
If you believe it, prove it. (A good rule, but does it apply to Muslims, too?) 2:111
The Jews say the Christians are wrong, and vice versa. Yet they both believe in the Scriptures. 2:113
Give of your wealth to family, relatives, and the needy. Set slaves free. 2:177
Do not fight wars of aggression. (Does this apply only during Ramadan?) 2:190
"Do good." 2:195
Spend your money for good: to help your parents, your family, orphans, wayfarers, and the needy. 2:215
Help orphans. 2:220
"Make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to ... making peace among mankind." 2:224
"There is no compulsion in religion." (But see the next verse which says that disbelievers will burn forever in Hell.) 2:256
"If the debtor is in straitened circumstances, then (let there be) postponement to (the time of) ease." 2:280
Don't argue about things that you know nothing about. 3:66
Do not be guilty of usury, doubling and quadrpling the sum lent. 3:130
I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. 3:195
Help orphans and don't steal from them. 4:2, 4:10
Men and women proceed from one another. 4:25
"Kill not one another." 4:29
Be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the needy, neighbors, and travelers. 4:36
Whoever participates in a good cause, will be rewarded. Whoever participates in an evil cause, will bear the consequences thereof. (It's not true, but it's a nice thought.) 4:85
If someone says Hi to you say Hi (or Howdy) back to them. 4:86
It is good to help the poor and make peace. 4:114
Value justice, for both poor and rich, even when it adversely affects you or your family's interests. 4:135
Don't lend money at unfairly high rates of interest. 4:161
"O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion."
Other translations render this "O people of the Book, do not be fanatical in your faith." (Amen to that!) 4:171
Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8
Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all.
(But see the next verse which says that the enemies of Allah and Muhammad will be killed, crucified, have their hands and feet cut off, or expelled. And after they die they will face "an awful doom.") 5:32
Pay the poor-due. 5:55
Feed and clothe the needy. Set a slave free. 5:89
Do good to parents, don't kill your children or other living things unnecessarily. 6:151
Don't steal from orphans. Don't cheat or lie. 6:152
Pay the poor-due. 7:156
Be kind and forgiving toward others. 7:199
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61
Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:18
Alms are for the poor and needy, to free captives and debtors, and to help wayfarers. But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:60
Men and women are protecting friends of one another. They enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and pay the poor-due. 9:71
"We see thee [Noah] but a mortal like us, and we see not that any follow thee save the most abject among us, without reflection. We behold in you no merit above us - nay, we deem you liars." 11:27
"Do not evil in the earth."
Treat people fairly, respect their possessions, and avoid evil. 11:85
Be kind to your relatives. 16:90
Be kind to your parents. Treat them with respect in their old age. 17:23
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarer. Don't selfishly squander your wealth. 17:26
Don't kill your children to avoid falling into poverty. 17:31
Don't steal from orphans. 17:34
Don't follow what you don't know. 17:36
"Speak that which is kindlier." 17:53
"Increase me in knowledge." 20:114
Feed the poor and unfortunate. 22:28
Don't lie. 22:30
Be kind to others, forbid injustice, and pay the poor-due. 22:41
Pay the poor-due. 22:78
Pay the poor-due. 23:4
Repel evil with that which is better. 23:96
Pay the poor-due. 24:37, 24:56
"And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom."
Well, I guess this is about as good as it gets in the Quran. Allah encourages you to set your slaves free if they are good enough. And don't pimp out your slave-girls (concubines). 24:33
Repel evil with good. 28:54
Be kind to your parents. 29:8
Men and women should help each other with love an mercy. 30:21
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarers. 30:38
Pay the poor-due. 31:4
"Be modest in thy bearing and subdue thy voice." 31:19
"Speak words straight to the point."
Say what you mean; mean what you say. 33:70
Good and evil are not the same. Repel evil with goodness. That way your enemies will become your friends. 41:34
Be loving and kind to your relatives. 42:23
It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42
Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89
Be kind to your parents. 46:15
Don't defame, insult, spy on, or backbite one another.. 49:11-12
Give of your wealth to help the poor. 51:19
"A guess can never take the place of the truth." 53:28
Pay the poor-due. 58:13
Pay the poor-due. 73:20
Don't defraud. 83:1-3
Free a slave, feed the hungry, and exhort one another to pity. 90:13-17
Don't oppress orphans or drive away beggars. 93:9-10
Pay the poor-due. That is true religion. 98:5
Let each person believe (or disbelieve) whatever he or she wishes. 109:1, 6

Look up these verses and you will see. You'll notice there are a couple things i pasted that aren't as good like only helping muslims, yet there are multiple verses saying you should help everyone.There are inconsistencies because this book, like the bible was written by more than one person. Also a lot of the people they fought were arab pagans so when they talk of helping muslims, usually they meant their group as opposed to the arab pagans. That's how others have interpreted it.There is good stuff and bad stuff but that applies to just about every holy scripture. The ones responsible for bad deeds in the past have been dead for over a thousand years. Don't punish Muslims because of what their ancestors did. There are bad muslims as well as good. Let's have an open mind.

 

[Looncall]

Allow me to let everyone know the good parts of the Quran. I can do the same for any other holy scripture. Oh and leibowde84 there was a Jewish terrorist group called the kingdom of Israel. Look it up if you don't believe me.


And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture.--2:113

Don't confuse truth with falsehood or knowingly conceal the truth. 2:42

Pay the poor-due. 2:43, 110, 277
Be good to parents, relatives, orphans, and the needy. Speak kindly and pay the poor-due. 2:83
If you believe it, prove it. (A good rule, but does it apply to Muslims, too?) 2:111
The Jews say the Christians are wrong, and vice versa. Yet they both believe in the Scriptures. 2:113
Give of your wealth to family, relatives, and the needy. Set slaves free. 2:177
Do not fight wars of aggression. (Does this apply only during Ramadan?) 2:190
"Do good." 2:195
Spend your money for good: to help your parents, your family, orphans, wayfarers, and the needy. 2:215
Help orphans. 2:220
"Make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to ... making peace among mankind." 2:224
"There is no compulsion in religion." (But see the next verse which says that disbelievers will burn forever in Hell.) 2:256
"If the debtor is in straitened circumstances, then (let there be) postponement to (the time of) ease." 2:280
Don't argue about things that you know nothing about. 3:66
Do not be guilty of usury, doubling and quadrpling the sum lent. 3:130
I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. 3:195
Help orphans and don't steal from them. 4:2, 4:10
Men and women proceed from one another. 4:25
"Kill not one another." 4:29
Be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the needy, neighbors, and travelers. 4:36
Whoever participates in a good cause, will be rewarded. Whoever participates in an evil cause, will bear the consequences thereof. (It's not true, but it's a nice thought.) 4:85
If someone says Hi to you say Hi (or Howdy) back to them. 4:86
It is good to help the poor and make peace. 4:114
Value justice, for both poor and rich, even when it adversely affects you or your family's interests. 4:135
Don't lend money at unfairly high rates of interest. 4:161
"O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion."
Other translations render this "O people of the Book, do not be fanatical in your faith." (Amen to that!) 4:171
Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8
Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all.
(But see the next verse which says that the enemies of Allah and Muhammad will be killed, crucified, have their hands and feet cut off, or expelled. And after they die they will face "an awful doom.") 5:32
Pay the poor-due. 5:55
Feed and clothe the needy. Set a slave free. 5:89
Do good to parents, don't kill your children or other living things unnecessarily. 6:151
Don't steal from orphans. Don't cheat or lie. 6:152
Pay the poor-due. 7:156
Be kind and forgiving toward others. 7:199
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61
Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:18
Alms are for the poor and needy, to free captives and debtors, and to help wayfarers. But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:60
Men and women are protecting friends of one another. They enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and pay the poor-due. 9:71
"We see thee [Noah] but a mortal like us, and we see not that any follow thee save the most abject among us, without reflection. We behold in you no merit above us - nay, we deem you liars." 11:27
"Do not evil in the earth."
Treat people fairly, respect their possessions, and avoid evil. 11:85
Be kind to your relatives. 16:90
Be kind to your parents. Treat them with respect in their old age. 17:23
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarer. Don't selfishly squander your wealth. 17:26
Don't kill your children to avoid falling into poverty. 17:31
Don't steal from orphans. 17:34
Don't follow what you don't know. 17:36
"Speak that which is kindlier." 17:53
"Increase me in knowledge." 20:114
Feed the poor and unfortunate. 22:28
Don't lie. 22:30
Be kind to others, forbid injustice, and pay the poor-due. 22:41
Pay the poor-due. 22:78
Pay the poor-due. 23:4
Repel evil with that which is better. 23:96
Pay the poor-due. 24:37, 24:56
"And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom."
Well, I guess this is about as good as it gets in the Quran. Allah encourages you to set your slaves free if they are good enough. And don't pimp out your slave-girls (concubines). 24:33
Repel evil with good. 28:54
Be kind to your parents. 29:8
Men and women should help each other with love an mercy. 30:21
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarers. 30:38
Pay the poor-due. 31:4
"Be modest in thy bearing and subdue thy voice." 31:19
"Speak words straight to the point."
Say what you mean; mean what you say. 33:70
Good and evil are not the same. Repel evil with goodness. That way your enemies will become your friends. 41:34
Be loving and kind to your relatives. 42:23
It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42
Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89
Be kind to your parents. 46:15
Don't defame, insult, spy on, or backbite one another.. 49:11-12
Give of your wealth to help the poor. 51:19
"A guess can never take the place of the truth." 53:28
Pay the poor-due. 58:13
Pay the poor-due. 73:20
Don't defraud. 83:1-3
Free a slave, feed the hungry, and exhort one another to pity. 90:13-17
Don't oppress orphans or drive away beggars. 93:9-10
Pay the poor-due. That is true religion. 98:5
Let each person believe (or disbelieve) whatever he or she wishes. 109:1, 6

Look up these verses and you will see. You'll notice there are a couple things i pasted that aren't as good like only helping muslims, yet there are multiple verses saying you should help everyone.There are inconsistencies because this book, like the bible was written by more than one person. Also a lot of the people they fought were arab pagans so when they talk of helping muslims, usually they meant their group as opposed to the arab pagans. That's how others have interpreted it.There is good stuff and bad stuff but that applies to just about every holy scripture. The ones responsible for bad deeds in the past have been dead for over a thousand years. Don't punish Muslims because of what their ancestors did. There are bad muslims as well as good. Let's have an open mind.

People are more concerned about what quite a lot of muslims are doing these days. You know, like IS, Boko Haram, al-shebab etc. All of whom quote holy writ to justify their atrocities.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

People are more concerned about what quite a lot of muslims are doing these days. You know, like IS, Boko Haram, al-shebab etc. All of whom quote holy writ to justify their atrocities.

What Muslims are doing nowadays? Do hundreds of millions of Muslims belong to Isis and boko haram? You judge and entire group of people for what extremists are doing? Did everyone forget that Chad, Nigeria, Egypt, Jordan and the Untied Arab Emirates, all of which who have high Muslim populations, have been fighting those Muslim extremists? I don't know why so many have forgotten that.

 

[gsa]

Allow me to let everyone know the good parts of the Quran. I can do the same for any other holy scripture. Oh and leibowde84 there was a Jewish terrorist group called the kingdom of Israel. Look it up if you don't believe me.


And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture.--2:113

Don't confuse truth with falsehood or knowingly conceal the truth. 2:42

Pay the poor-due. 2:43, 110, 277
Be good to parents, relatives, orphans, and the needy. Speak kindly and pay the poor-due. 2:83
If you believe it, prove it. (A good rule, but does it apply to Muslims, too?) 2:111
The Jews say the Christians are wrong, and vice versa. Yet they both believe in the Scriptures. 2:113
Give of your wealth to family, relatives, and the needy. Set slaves free. 2:177
Do not fight wars of aggression. (Does this apply only during Ramadan?) 2:190
"Do good." 2:195
Spend your money for good: to help your parents, your family, orphans, wayfarers, and the needy. 2:215
Help orphans. 2:220
"Make not Allah, by your oaths, a hindrance to ... making peace among mankind." 2:224
"There is no compulsion in religion." (But see the next verse which says that disbelievers will burn forever in Hell.) 2:256
"If the debtor is in straitened circumstances, then (let there be) postponement to (the time of) ease." 2:280
Don't argue about things that you know nothing about. 3:66
Do not be guilty of usury, doubling and quadrpling the sum lent. 3:130
I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. Ye proceed one from another. 3:195
Help orphans and don't steal from them. 4:2, 4:10
Men and women proceed from one another. 4:25
"Kill not one another." 4:29
Be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the needy, neighbors, and travelers. 4:36
Whoever participates in a good cause, will be rewarded. Whoever participates in an evil cause, will bear the consequences thereof. (It's not true, but it's a nice thought.) 4:85
If someone says Hi to you say Hi (or Howdy) back to them. 4:86
It is good to help the poor and make peace. 4:114
Value justice, for both poor and rich, even when it adversely affects you or your family's interests. 4:135
Don't lend money at unfairly high rates of interest. 4:161
"O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion."
Other translations render this "O people of the Book, do not be fanatical in your faith." (Amen to that!) 4:171
Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8
Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves the life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all.
(But see the next verse which says that the enemies of Allah and Muhammad will be killed, crucified, have their hands and feet cut off, or expelled. And after they die they will face "an awful doom.") 5:32
Pay the poor-due. 5:55
Feed and clothe the needy. Set a slave free. 5:89
Do good to parents, don't kill your children or other living things unnecessarily. 6:151
Don't steal from orphans. Don't cheat or lie. 6:152
Pay the poor-due. 7:156
Be kind and forgiving toward others. 7:199
And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61
Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:18
Alms are for the poor and needy, to free captives and debtors, and to help wayfarers. But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)] 9:60
Men and women are protecting friends of one another. They enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and pay the poor-due. 9:71
"We see thee [Noah] but a mortal like us, and we see not that any follow thee save the most abject among us, without reflection. We behold in you no merit above us - nay, we deem you liars." 11:27
"Do not evil in the earth."
Treat people fairly, respect their possessions, and avoid evil. 11:85
Be kind to your relatives. 16:90
Be kind to your parents. Treat them with respect in their old age. 17:23
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarer. Don't selfishly squander your wealth. 17:26
Don't kill your children to avoid falling into poverty. 17:31
Don't steal from orphans. 17:34
Don't follow what you don't know. 17:36
"Speak that which is kindlier." 17:53
"Increase me in knowledge." 20:114
Feed the poor and unfortunate. 22:28
Don't lie. 22:30
Be kind to others, forbid injustice, and pay the poor-due. 22:41
Pay the poor-due. 22:78
Pay the poor-due. 23:4
Repel evil with that which is better. 23:96
Pay the poor-due. 24:37, 24:56
"And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom."
Well, I guess this is about as good as it gets in the Quran. Allah encourages you to set your slaves free if they are good enough. And don't pimp out your slave-girls (concubines). 24:33
Repel evil with good. 28:54
Be kind to your parents. 29:8
Men and women should help each other with love an mercy. 30:21
Help your family, the needy, and wayfarers. 30:38
Pay the poor-due. 31:4
"Be modest in thy bearing and subdue thy voice." 31:19
"Speak words straight to the point."
Say what you mean; mean what you say. 33:70
Good and evil are not the same. Repel evil with goodness. That way your enemies will become your friends. 41:34
Be loving and kind to your relatives. 42:23
It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42
Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89
Be kind to your parents. 46:15
Don't defame, insult, spy on, or backbite one another.. 49:11-12
Give of your wealth to help the poor. 51:19
"A guess can never take the place of the truth." 53:28
Pay the poor-due. 58:13
Pay the poor-due. 73:20
Don't defraud. 83:1-3
Free a slave, feed the hungry, and exhort one another to pity. 90:13-17
Don't oppress orphans or drive away beggars. 93:9-10
Pay the poor-due. That is true religion. 98:5
Let each person believe (or disbelieve) whatever he or she wishes. 109:1, 6

Look up these verses and you will see. You'll notice there are a couple things i pasted that aren't as good like only helping muslims, yet there are multiple verses saying you should help everyone.There are inconsistencies because this book, like the bible was written by more than one person. Also a lot of the people they fought were arab pagans so when they talk of helping muslims, usually they meant their group as opposed to the arab pagans. That's how others have interpreted it.There is good stuff and bad stuff but that applies to just about every holy scripture. The ones responsible for bad deeds in the past have been dead for over a thousand years. Don't punish Muslims because of what their ancestors did. There are bad muslims as well as good. Let's have an open mind.

Sure like most (Abrahamic) religious texts it is a mix of pure hate and worthless unobjectionable platitudes, often in tension or outright contradiction with one another.

Importantly, however, Muslims do not believe that there are inconsistencies in this book, and many do not contextualize the vicious anti-apostate passages by restricting it to certain "warlike" apostates (and even then, those who do usually define "warlike" quite differently from the West).

Muslims and Christians and Jews can be great people, almost always in spite of their religious doctrines.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Sure like most (Abrahamic) religious texts it is a mix of pure hate and worthless unobjectionable platitudes, often in tension or outright contradiction with one another.

Importantly, however, Muslims do not believe that there are inconsistencies in this book, and many do not contextualize the vicious anti-apostate passages by restricting it to certain "warlike" apostates (and even then, those who do usually define "warlike" quite differently from the West).

Muslims and Christians and Jews can be great people, almost always in spite of their religious doctrines.

A lot of people will defend their scriptures despite inconsistencies. But you say "Muslims" as if to imply all Muslims have the same beliefs. Sunnis are not the same as Shi'a muslims or Sufi Muslims.

 

[gsa]

A lot of people will defend their scriptures despite inconsistencies. But you say "Muslims" as if to imply all Muslims have the same beliefs. Sunnis are not the same as Shi'a muslims or Sufi Muslims.

There is only a relatively small minority of Muslims who are quranists and reject the hadiths, and there is a much smaller number of Muslims who believe that the Quran contains errors, i.e., Muslims who are the functional equivalent of liberal Christians. More common are the "moderates" like Tariq Ramadan and others, who are essentially orthodox Muslims who reinterpret the religion to make it compatible with baseline liberalism.

Of course Muslims don't all hold the same beliefs. All of the Abrahamics are schismatic, it appears to be a feature of their mindset. But that doesn't mean that they're the liberals you are describing here.

 

[MD]

All extremists are the enemies of mankind, whether they be Islamists, Fascists, Marxists or even warmongering Americans whose forays into the Middle East have resulted in the deaths of millions.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

The Americans have interfered and caused more problems though of course there were problems before we were there or when iran got rid of the shah and went backwards in society, giving women and minorities less rights. When it comes to conflict the two sides aren't always totally innocent. Like with the native Americans. Some Americans killed innocent tribes, but there were tribes that were very bad and barbaric. Not all middle eastern were innocent or Americans. That's why they say there's good and evil in all groups.