Are "peaceful Muslims" really Muslims?

[sandandfoam]

I think the main problem is that muslims or the muslim countries, bring harm to the world in the name of religion. Nowadays, that's something a very few countries do.

Indeed. Most countries bringing harm to the world today do so in the name of freedom and democracy.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You can be a muslim without believing 100% in Coran. As I'm sure you know of plenty of christians that doesn't believe 100% in the Bible. However, my opinion is that you can't be an "average muslim". Most muslims believe in the Coran and they consider correct all the things you have said, like stoning etc. Remember that the Coran dictates the majority of the muslim juridical system.

I think the main problem is that muslims or the muslim countries, bring harm to the world in the name of religion.

I think the main problem is bigotry upheld by a near startling ignorance. Are you not even mildly concerned by the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?

 

[otokage007]

I think the main problem is bigotry upheld by a near startling ignorance. Are you not even mildly concerned by the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?

What I know, is that I'm not concerned at all about your objective-opinion wannabe answers polluted by your religion.

 

[beenie]

It is acknowledged that in order to be a Muslim you have to believe in the Koran. The Koran has violent verses, which among other things call for stoning, flogging and amputation of hands. It calls for war against non-Muslims.

So can you truly be a Muslim if you do not beleive in these things? Discuss.

Can you show me one ayah FROM THE QUR'AN that calls for stoning, amputation of hands, and flogging? Show me those, then we'll talk. Hadith do not count. Thanks, it's been fun chatting with you.

Peace and cupcakes,

Muslim

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What I know, is that I'm not concerned at all about your objective-opinion wannabe answers polluted by your religion.

"... polluted by [my] religion" - oh my - an equal opportunity bigot!

 

[Songbird]

As a general rant not directed at anyone in particular, I'm annoyed by sarcastic questions about violence in the Quran or Bible or Tanakh.

Religion isn't a set-in-stone, static decree; it's a living, organic entity which interfaces with people. Real, alive, breathing, changing people. So it looks different in different settings, times, and with different groups and individuals.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As a general rant not directed at anyone in particular, I'm annoyed by sarcastic questions about violence in the Quran or Bible or Tanakh.

Religion isn't a set-in-stone, static decree; it's a living, organic entity which interfaces with people. Real, alive, breathing, changing people. So it looks different in different settings, times, and with different groups and individuals.

Well said. :yes:

 

[Songbird]

Well said. :yes:

:takeabow:

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Yes, peaceful Muslims are Muslims. So are violent Muslims.

 

[YmirGF]

As a general rant not directed at anyone in particular, I'm annoyed by sarcastic questions about violence in the Quran or Bible or Tanakh.

Religion isn't a set-in-stone, static decree; it's a living, organic entity which interfaces with people. Real, alive, breathing, changing people. So it looks different in different settings, times, and with different groups and individuals.

How dare you bring reason into this discussion. Have you no shame?

 

[Songbird]

How dare you bring reason into this discussion. Have you no shame?

Not much.

Peace and cupcakes.

(Thanks, ssainhu.)

 

[Mohamed]

Can you show me one ayah FROM THE QUR'AN that calls for stoning, amputation of hands, and flogging? Show me those, then we'll talk. Hadith do not count. Thanks, it's been fun chatting with you.

Peace and cupcakes,

Muslim

AL-MAEDA,38
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime


here is ayah about what he called it violence
but in fact it's just punishment
i think it's more humanity than prisoning somebody over 10 years
Islam has no prison at all,it's something against freedom

in word,it's not violence,it's justice

 

[beenie]

As a general rant not directed at anyone in particular, I'm annoyed by sarcastic questions about violence in the Quran or Bible or Tanakh.

Religion isn't a set-in-stone, static decree; it's a living, organic entity which interfaces with people. Real, alive, breathing, changing people. So it looks different in different settings, times, and with different groups and individuals.

I owe you a frubal and you'll get one.

Well said.

Oh, and you're very welcome for the peace...and the cupcakes.

 

[beenie]

I think the main problem is bigotry upheld by a near startling ignorance. Are you not even mildly concerned by the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?

What I know, is that I'm not concerned at all about your objective-opinion wannabe answers polluted by your religion.

**chuckles**
otokage, do you see the religion under Jay's name?

Here, have a cupcake.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

**chuckles**
otokage, do you see the religion under Jay's name?

Here, have a cupcake.

I'm not all that sure that reading comprehension is his strong suit.

 

[Me Myself]

So, sorry if I repeat the ignorant question:

Is there no one verse on any sacred Islam text that talks about violence against those who don´t beleive in Allah?

As I understand it (again my honest apologies for any mistake and would appreciate any honest correction) Islam started out as a religion of war and it´s prime and "most perfect" prophet mohamed made war around here and war around there.

So is it for real the only "violent" texts talk about self-defence? If so why did Mohamed was so violent?

Again, any blatantly ignorant remark in any of the questions please be forgiven and corrected apropiatly (because I am truly ignorant about islam)

Oh and the last one, so can you truly have four wives yet? Mohamed all for it?

 

[Mohamed]

first of all i want you to excuse me about bad english,but i'm sure that you can understand me with alittle more effort

look,islam cares much about dignity,forexample,prophet Mohamed once went to war because he sent a messenger and he got killed,but it's totally against violence
i will show you a verse which alot people against islam calls it the verse of terrorism,but think alittle about it and see how it's peaceful instead
the verse is:

And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly

let's think alittle deep about it,what god commands in this verse?
1-god commands muslims to prepare what they (can) not what they (need),that means to prepare over power as a deter so they don't be attacked
2-it's obvious when he says (to frighten) not (to attack) or (to fighten), although (to fight) would be more logic here,it's much more obvious when he says (and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them


(and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them)

how can we fight people whom we don't know?!!!,the answer i
s that we don't prepare to fight but to frighten those who wants to attack us,it's about dignity again not war


islam didn't spread by wars,in fact no religion can spread through wars,because it starts with one weak person against people around him,then few people against much more people,then a small country or even city against all countries and cities,so it's impossible for any religion to spread through wars,and all religions that have massive numberws of believers nowaday have a right strong origine,but for sorrow people don't follow that origine at all,but the origine existed and it was the reason of massive numbers....

 

[Me Myself]

first of all i want you to excuse me about bad english,but i'm sure that you can understand me with alittle more effort

look,islam cares much about dignity,forexample,prophet Mohamed once went to war because he sent a messenger and he got killed,but it's totally against violence
i will show you a verse which alot people against islam calls it the verse of terrorism,but think alittle about it and see how it's peaceful instead
the verse is:

And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly

let's think alittle deep about it,what god commands in this verse?
1-god commands muslims to prepare what they (can) not what they (need),that means to prepare over power as a deter so they don't be attacked
2-it's obvious when he says (to frighten) not (to attack) or (to fighten), although (to fight) would be more logic here,it's much more obvious when he says (and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them


(and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them)

how can we fight people whom we don't know?!!!,the answer i
s that we don't prepare to fight but to frighten those who wants to attack us,it's about dignity again not war


islam didn't spread by wars,in fact no religion can spread through wars,because it starts with one weak person against people around him,then few people against much more people,then a small country or even city against all countries and cities,so it's impossible for any religion to spread through wars,and all religions that have massive numberws of believers nowaday have a right strong origine,but for sorrow people don't follow that origine at all,but the origine existed and it was the reason of massive numbers....

Your english was pretty understandable. English ain´t my first language neither anyways xD

I agree with you that that text did not takll about war, at least by those lines alone they truly seem to be just about frightening.

So is that it? It didn´t expand on war greatly then? (I continue to ask because more people may be able to provide more answers)

 

[England my lionheart]

It is acknowledged that in order to be a Muslim you have to believe in the Koran. The Koran has violent verses, which among other things call for stoning, flogging and amputation of hands. It calls for war against non-Muslims.

So can you truly be a Muslim if you do not beleive in these things? Discuss.

Three words,they all contain the word research

 

[Mohamed]

Your english was pretty understandable. English ain´t my first language neither anyways xD
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i just wrote all that and it was deleted by mistake
then i wrote it again in hurry
but i told you you need alittle more effort to understand