Are people born Gay?

[Quiddity]

The fact that science has discovered homosexuality in some 300 to 400 species, let alone humans, suggests to me that homosexuality is not something learned from ones culture. For if it were something learned from ones culture, then why would it appear in 300 to 400 different species of animal?

A similar concept is used when trying to prove that man is a "religious being". But I am unsure if you would take it the same.

~Victor

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

I beleive people are born gay or straight in the same way they are born right or left handed. Yes, a lefty can learn to write with his/her right hand, but it ain't natural and it doesn't work well. Expand that analogy to the sexuality question and you have the example of the "reformed" homosexuals.

That being said. I have a question for the religious straight crowd. If a person chooses to be gay, why would they ever choose that?

They are volunteering to be made fun of, be rejected in many cases by their family and friends, and risk serious physical harm in some parts of the country. Who would choose to be discriminated against, if there was another option, just as easy to take, which would lead to being accepted and not discriminated against?

It must be that they are born that way, for a variety of reasons, but more than any other, it is this: Nobody would choose to be gay any more than they would choose to be a Kurd in Saddham's Iraq, or black in the deep south during the height of KKK power.

B.

 

[Quiddity]

That being said. I have a question for the religious straight crowd. If a person chooses to be gay, why would they ever choose that?

You are asking a religious straight person why homosexuals would choose to be homosexual?...:biglaugh:

~Victor

 

[Fluffy]

You are asking a religious straight person why homosexuals would choose to be homosexual?...:biglaugh:

Is that not a fair question? It would be even more fair if that religious straight person accused homosexuals of choosing to be homosexual.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

You are asking a religious straight person why homosexuals would choose to be homosexual?...:biglaugh:

~Victor

That is precisely the question I am asking. It seems that the people who claim that being gay is a choice are religious straight people. I personally don't think it is a choice. I frankly think it is somewhat preposterous to think that it is a choice for the reasons I have illustrated in my previous posts on the subject.

Since it is obvious that the majority of the religious straight crowd disagrees with me on the matter of choice, I am asking a legitimate question. . . "Given all the obvious difficulties associated with being gay, why would anyone choose to be gay?"

If I have a choice in 2 or more behaviors, 2 or more paths, or for that matter, 2 or more shirts, I personally would have to think there was something to be gained by one choice over the other. Seems to me "choosing" homosexuality would be a poor choice for all the reasons listed in my prior posts. I am wondering why people would voluntarily go that path if there was a more advantageous alternative, which is frankly (assuming arguendo this is a matter of choice) the easier choice to make.

B.

 

[Fluffy]

A similar concept is used when trying to prove that man is a "religious being". But I am unsure if you would take it the same.

Religion exists in 300-400 species of animal?

 

[Quiddity]

My only point is that any answer I give you will not suffice. Because I can't feel what they feel and never said it was easy.

~Victor

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

My only point is that any answer I give you will not suffice. Because I can't feel what they feel and never said it was easy.

~Victor

Well Victor you kind of make my point right there.

If you are one of those who claim that being gay is a choice, then you bear the burden of showing that it is a choice, I would think. If there is no sufficient answer as to why anyone would make that choice, then I think that pretty strongly undercuts the theory that homosexuality is a choice, don't you?

B.

 

[Quiddity]

Well Victor you kind of make my point right there.

If you are one of those who claim that being gay is a choice, then you bear the burden of showing that it is a choice, I would think. If there is no sufficient answer as to why anyone would make that choice, then I think that pretty strongly undercuts the theory that homosexuality is a choice, don't you?

B.

Not at all. They probably didn't choose to be homosexual (although debatable, I won't argue this). But they can choose after the fact. This you cannot deny.

~Victor

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Victor, could you choose to be gay? I couldn't. I am pretty broadminded, but I can't make myself be gay. You say they choose after the fact. I assume you mean that they might be born with gay feelings, but ultimately make the choice on whether to act on those feelings?

B.

 

[Quiddity]

Victor, could you choose to be gay? I couldn't. I am pretty broadminded, but I can't make myself be gay. You say they choose after the fact. I assume you mean that they might be born with gay feelings, but ultimately make the choice on whether to act on those feelings?

B.

Yup, that's what I mean. And yes you can also choose to be gay. If you couldn't then it would be difficult to explain somene who is bisexual.

~Victor

 

[Green Gaia]

And yes you can also choose to be gay. If you couldn't then it would be difficult to explain somene who is bisexual.

~Victor

Explain.

 

[Jaymes]

Bisexual people don't turn straight when they sleep with someone of the opposite sex, nor do they turn gay when they sleep with someone of the same sex. They are bisexual.

 

[Fluffy]

Yup, that's what I mean. And yes you can also choose to be gay. If you couldn't then it would be difficult to explain somene who is bisexual.

I'm bisexual. Please explain me .

 

[Fluffy]

Not at all. They probably didn't choose to be homosexual (although debatable, I won't argue this). But they can choose after the fact. This you cannot deny.

No they can choose not to engage in homosexual sex. Just as a heterosexual not engaging in sex makes them a heterosexual not engaging in sex, not a homosexual.

 

[michel]

Bisexual people don't turn straight when they sleep with someone of the opposite sex, nor do they turn gay when they sleep with someone of the same sex. They are bisexual.

I must admit to knowing very little about bisexuality; do you know of any authoritative sites on bisexuality?

 

[Jaymes]

Jamaesi probably knows much more than I about that, being bisexual herself. I don't have any sites that jump to the front of my mind as being good to look through for information on bisexuality, though. Lemme see if I can find any.

 

[Green Gaia]

I must admit to knowing very little about bisexuality; do you know of any authoritative sites on bisexuality?

PMed you.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

I didn't go through every single post on this thread, but here goes.

Are people born gay?

I would say 'Yes'. We do not choose our orientation to be homosexual, hetersexual, or bisexual; nor can we choose to whom we are attracted. We do choose with whom to have relations and what kind of relations to have, and I submit that's what people mean when they say people choose to be gay, straight, or bisexual.

Since this is for amusement and not my doctoral thesis , I don't have a mountain of proof in front of me. I've read that every society in human history has had homosexuals. Some have embraced them, others have persecuted them. Does anyone else remember that when the AIDS epidemic first broke, doctors thought that being Haitian was a risk factor because they were afraid to admit they were gay.

I know many people who are heterosexual and several who are homosexual. None of them relayed that this was a choice they made, and in fact, some of my homosexual friends said they prayed to God to make it not so. They said they would choose to be heterosexual if they could.

Anyway....that's about all I have to say about that. Please feel free to continue any off-topic discussions I may have interupted.

 

[Quiddity]

Uh oh, what did I just get myself into.

Explain.

From my understanding bisexuals are attracted to both male and female. I take it that some bisexuals have a preference and probably lean more toward one side. Nevertheless one thing is for certain, they have a choice in the matter, just like a homosexual who can refuse to have sex. I'm not sure if I'm not being clear enough or if people are just getting emotional (which is understandable) and refuse to admit that a bisexual or a homosexual can say no at any point in their life.

~Victor