Are people born inherently atheist?

[outhouse]

Yet simply saying something doesn't make it so. Now are you going to attempt to actually address any of my points in a meaningful way, or have you finally resigned yourself to surrender?

I already have.

It is you that fails to address the real definition, so you have reduced the arguement from philisophical to the use of straw man, and red herring's, both

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This broad definition would include newborns and other people who have not been exposed to theistic ideas.

Exposing a newborn to theistic ideas will not make it a theist. At least not until it's able to actually hold beliefs. Of course, then it's no longer a newborn - it's something else.

You care to address this, or are you content to continue plugging your ears?

 

[Willamena]

That is the definition of implicit atheism.

LACK of theism, makes you an __ __ __ __ __ __ __

That is dogmatism.

I'm asking for why the dictionary makers might have written this down in their halls of truth.

 

[LuisDantas]

That is dogmatism.

I'm asking for why the dictionary makers might have written this down in their halls of truth.

Is it just me, or this reply is a non-sequitur to the post that it quotes?

 

[outhouse]

That is dogmatism.

I'm asking for why the dictionary makers might have written this down in their halls of truth.

Dogmatism, that is your personal opinion.


Sorry you do not like the definition of implicit atheism or labeling those who do not hold theism as atheist.

Too me, its very simple. We are all born into a state of no theism. Theism is learned, and only some are able to ditch it back to OUR default status.

 

[outhouse]

Is it just me, or this reply is a non-sequitur to the post that it quotes?

Yes but she is more polite and not that stubborn so I have no problem trying to address her concerns. :camp:

 

[outhouse]

Exposing a newborn to theistic ideas will not make it a theist. At least not until it's able to actually hold beliefs. Of course, then it's no longer a newborn - it's something else.

You care to address this, or are you content to continue plugging your ears?

You must be using a mirror.

Atheism is our default status, like it or not. :yes:


Find it silly or not. It is the reality of the definition, your straw man and red herring do not apply and its noted as a fallacy.

 

[Willamena]

Too me, its very simple. We are all born into a state of no theism. Theism is learned, and only some are able to ditch it back to OUR default status.

That is positively religious.

 

[outhouse]

That is positively religious.

Only in the middle, when theism is forced upon us by our parents.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Find it silly or not. It is the reality of the definition, your straw man and red herring do not apply and its noted as a fallacy.

So you cannot meaningfully address the point. Understood.

 

[Thana]

Sorry you do not like the definition of implicit atheism or labeling those who do not hold theism as atheist.

Too me, its very simple. We are all born into a state of no theism. Theism is learned, and only some are able to ditch it back to OUR default status.

Does it matter?
I mean.. Really?
I was born Asexual.
Do I go on and on about it?

Implicit Athiesm is a stupid concept when concerning infants, Because if you can't form an opinion, Then you're not a true Athiest until you are capable of deciding that you are.

 

[Revoltingest]

Does it matter?
I mean.. Really?
I was born Asexual.
Do I go on and on about it?

Now that you mention it, you do go on & on about non-sexual things.
Your non-obsession with things sexual is beginning to wear on us all.

Implicit Athiesm is a stupid concept when concerning infants, Because if you can't form an opinion, Then you're not a true Athiest until you are capable of deciding that you are.

It only seems stupid if people say it is THE definition.
It's just one of many perspectives on atheism.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It only seems stupid if people say it is THE definition.
It's just one of many perspectives on atheism.

Heck, some definitions technically include rocks as atheists. There's hope for everyone!

 

[outhouse]

So you cannot meaningfully address the point. Understood.

You placed youself in a corner using fallacies, sorry.

 

[LuisDantas]

How is that clear? Please explain to me how ignorance makes one an atheist.

As an atheist, I would really like to know.

By lacking a conception of god, one is rendered unable of believing in it.

It really is that simple.

 

[LuisDantas]

Does it matter?
I mean.. Really?
I was born Asexual.
Do I go on and on about it?

No. But that is an imperfect parallel, to the point of being misleading.

Sexuality develops spontaneously, and there is little in the way of social pressure for you to have it.

Theism, by contrast, is sociallly construed, with very few exceptions and maybe not even that. While Atheism - and that is mine and outhouse's point which you all seem to reject - is pretty much a default state.

Implicit Athiesm is a stupid concept when concerning infants, Because if you can't form an opinion, Then you're not a true Athiest until you are capable of deciding that you are.

Only if you take as a given that atheism must be informed to be meaningful.

I see no reason other than peer pressure to even consider such a premise, personally.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You placed youself in a corner using fallacies, sorry.

Yet you've completely failed to explain exactly how these fallacies apply to my arguments, in addition to repeatedly ignoring the fundamental problem with your arugment that I've pointed out. I guess you can't see that you're the one in the corner since your eyes are shut tight.

 

[outhouse]

Does it matter?
I mean.. Really?
I was born Asexual.
Do I go on and on about it?

Implicit Athiesm is a stupid concept when concerning infants, Because if you can't form an opinion, Then you're not a true Athiest until you are capable of deciding that you are.

Its not stupid when you realize it is our default position.

 

[Revoltingest]

Heck, some definitions technically include rocks as atheists. There's hope for everyone!

I'm one....people tell me I'm obsidious.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm one....people tell me I'm obsidious.

Had to look that one up. Don't remember the last time that happened. I guess I don't know everything. Just close.