Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Trailblazer]

I made no claim of not knowing what a god would do, that's your line.
I only ask if a god exists and it wants us to follow it, what would be the best way to achieve that. You keep saying the way that isn't working is the only way.

It is working for most people because most people believe in God and get His messages.
There is no reason to think that everyone has to believe in God and get His messages.

It is the only way if it is the way God chooses to communicate.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Of course God knows, God is All-Knowing.

There is proof but it can always be denied by humans because humans are FALLIBLE and they have FREE WILL.

Can you prove 10,000 religions are all right?

God has no interest in convincing anyone, that's your gig.

Not according to his books.

For now, God is content with having the few people believe, those people who meet the criteria of a true seeker.
Tablet of the True Seeker

Not according to his books.

Humans are fallible that's obvious. Some are clever enough to invent religions and get millions to follow them.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Can you prove 10,000 religions are all right?

Not according to his books.

Not according to his books.

Humans are fallible that's obvious. Some are clever enough to invent religions and get millions to follow them.

But is all objective stimuli. So what causes these humans to invent religions, is objective stimuli. It is not just in their minds, because all in their minds is objective stimuli.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

It is working for most people because most people believe in God and get His messages.
There is no reason to think that everyone has to believe in God and get His messages.

It is the only way if it is the way God chooses to communicate.

Billions believe in different religions, preaching different things. Because there are so many messages out there.

There's no reason to believe in god it won't solve the problems we have.

You're telling us again what a god is or isn't capable of.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Billions believe in different religions, preaching different things. Because there are so many messages out there.
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It is all objective stimuli. All of it. And that I believe in God comes from objective stimuli, so God exists.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Billions believe in different religions, preaching different things. Because there are so many messages out there.

There's no reason to believe in god it won't solve the problems we have.

You're telling us again what a god is or isn't capable of.

Does it bother you that people believe in God?
Honestly it seems like it truly bothers you

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

But is all objective stimuli. So what causes these humans to invent religions, is objective stimuli. It is not just in their minds, because all in their minds is objective stimuli.

The main drive to invent religions is obvious. Money, Power, influence.

I'm more interested in what makes people believe in any of them? The main reason has to be they're not getting something from their lives and religion fills that gap. It also promises to "save" them in the afterlife.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The main drive to invent religions is obvious. Money, Power, influence.

I'm more interested in what makes people believe in any of them? The main reason has to be they're not getting something from their lives and religion fills that gap. It also promises to "save" them in the afterlife.

Physical objects, money, power does not matter to a true religious believer.
The "goal" of religion is to gain access to heaven/paradise/nirvana or other names of afterlife existence

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Physical objects, money, power does not matter to a true religious believer.

Who claimed everyone who starts a new religion is a true believer? Don't assume what I said.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Who claimed everyone who starts a new religion is a true believer? Don't assume what I said.

How did my answer end up like what you said here? I did not say a thing about new religions. You did......

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

How did my answer end up like what you said here? I did not say a thing about new religions. You did......

I should have linked you to the 10,000 different religions. All I was doing was showing how easy it is to start a religion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The main drive to invent religions is obvious. Money, Power, influence.

I'm more interested in what makes people believe in any of them? The main reason has to be they're not getting something from their lives and religion fills that gap. It also promises to "save" them in the afterlife.

Yeah, it is all objective stimuli. Nothing subjective, mental or psychological. There is nothing to the subjective than the mind itself and its content, everything else is objective stimuli. Beliefs are nothing but objective stimuli. Religion is not subjective, mental or psychological, it is objective stimuli.
You didn't subjectively, mentally and in a psychological sense think about that. It is all objective stimuli.
Why do you ask all of these questions? It all comes from objective stimuli.

There is nothing to ask or question about all this. It is all objective stimuli.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I should have linked you to the 10,000 different religions. All I was doing was showing how easy it is to start a religion.

And I should link you to different claims of what science is and if we can know something about objective reality. BTW how come it is called methodological naturalism?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Yeah, it is all objective stimuli. Nothing subjective, mental or psychological. There is nothing to the subjective than the mind itself and its content, everything else is objective stimuli. Beliefs are nothing but objective stimuli. Religion is not subjective, mental or psychological, it is objective stimuli.
You didn't subjectively, mentally and in a psychological sense think about that. It is all objective stimuli.
Why do you ask all of these questions? It all comes from objective stimuli.

There is nothing to ask or question about all this. It is all objective stimuli.

There is another reason for people to believe. They can claim to be superior to the rest who are getting it wrong in their opinion.

That's why evidence needs to be presented. I can't say no god exists anywhere in the universe, god or some superior entity, species, being. What I can do is point out the flaws of different religions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is another reason for people to believe. They can claim to be superior to the rest who are getting it wrong in their opinion.

That's why evidence needs to be presented. I can't say no god exists anywhere in the universe, god or some superior entity, species, being. What I can do is point out the flaws of different religions.

It is all objective stimuli and there is nothing subjective about it. Don't start using the subjective as an actual cause for behavior. All behavior comes from objective stimuli.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

And I should link you to different claims of what science is and if we can know something about objective reality. BTW how come it is called methodological naturalism?

Science is rubbing two sticks together to make fire to putting Men on Mars. It's not meant to be 100% right all the time, every time, it's being updated all the time. What it's not doing is proving the bibles right.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Science is rubbing two sticks together to make fire to putting Men on Mars. It's not meant to be 100% right all the time, every time, it's being updated all the time. What it's not doing is proving the bibles right.

I don't care about your subjective view of religion. I have my own subjective view of that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not according to his books.

According to His Books, God has no interest in convincing anyone.
What ever gave you that idea?

 

[Trailblazer]

There's no reason to believe in god it won't solve the problems we have.

There is no reason to believe that God would solve the problems that humans have, that's our job.
God sent Messengers to help us do our job.

You're telling us again what a god is or isn't capable of.

God is capable of anything...
No, I am telling you what God's job is and isn't. God sends Messengers and after that His job is done.

 

[Bird123]

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that in order to believe one must look at the proof the Messenger provided. That includes their Actions and their Person which reflects the attributes of God.

To Discover of the beliefs are true, we need to do an investigation of everything that surrounds the Messenger and His Revelation and His Writings.

Everything in creation reflects God to the extent of its capacity but humans turn the mirror of their souls to their own lower material nature they reflect that lower nature.

Man has free will so he is responsible for his actions. Responsibility is not blame.

I see what is in front of me, some of it is good and some of it is bad.

God did not create imperfection on mankind, everyone was born perfect. Then throughout the course of their lives, humans became imperfect when they turned to their lower material nature and chose self over others and self over God.

Nobody knows God’s actions, some people just believe they do.

I understand why you believe that but I do not agree. I see what is important to see but there is always more to Discover.

“Generally, it takes three encounters from seemingly different and independent sources to mold a human belief. If we hope to find the truth in a world full of contradicting ideas, we need to make use of all the resources at our disposal: science, history, experience, holy scripture — and our own power of discovery.”

https://bahaiteachings.org/finding-accepting-truth

Accepting and Believing should never be the goal!!
Your link did say the investigation for the truth must be yours. I have been pointing, telling you I can not do it for you. You wait for others to serve it up to you for your acceptance. If you really want proof, I have pointed the way. If you don't, you can find a million excuses not to do anything.

The road is not easy. It's a lot more advanced than believing and accepting. Perhaps, it's a test of intelligence.

You ignore so much of what stares you in the face. You close your mind and narrow your view from possibilities that will lead you forward. Clearly, you are happy to sit within a box of beliefs, satisfied you have reached the end.

You have much to Discover and work through before you are ready to Discover anything. That is perfectly OK. There is no time limit on learning. When you are ready maybe a Light will catch your eye.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!