Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Bird123]

How do you think you can KNOW what God is doing in this world?
Do you just assume what you SEE happening can be attributed to God?

I fail to see how your answer is in any way related to what I said.

God is not helpless at all in any realm, but that still begs the question of how you believe you know what God is DOING.

I did not create a belief system, you did, and you gave it a name. You call it Discovering the Truth. The first problem is that you have no way of knowing that anything you have Discovered is actually the Truth. The second problem with your belief system is that if someone else Discovers something different and it contradicts what you Discovered both cannot be true because Truth does not contradict itself.

But you still have no explained how you can KNOW God's actions?

Okay, now we are cutting to the chase so we are done here because I will never believe that God ever paid you a visit and I will never believe that you have evidence of God.

I do not believe that God shows up at anyone's door or goes visiting. If you want to believe that you are welcome to.

No, I do not see God, nobody does.
I think we are done here, again.

Happy trails.

Your quoteo you just assume what you SEE happening can be attributed to God?
My Answer: This is God's creation. Actions reflect on those taking those actions. It's that simple.

your quote:I fail to see how your answer is in any way related to what I said.
My Answer: Are you blind, do you ignore, or do you close your eyes to everything but your beliefs?

your quote:You call it Discovering the Truth.
My Answer: is Discovering the truth really a belief system? I need to mention this to my scientist friends to see what they say. Discovering truth has nothing to do with holding on to beliefs.

your quote:
Okay, now we are cutting to the chase so we are done here because I will never believe that God ever paid you a visit and I will never believe that you have evidence of God.
My Answer: I never asked you to believe. I do not want you to believe. I place truth in the world. What you do with truth is up to you.

your quote:Happy trails. [/QUOTE]
My Answer: My path is always HAPPY!!

I find it funny people can be satisfied with beliefs. That could never be me.

Choose your own path. Your journey has never been up to me. If you want to stop at mere beliefs then clearly truth is not what you are after.

Are you done? Don't you realize? The journey is never done for there is always more to Discover.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Is there some form, force, thing, etc that created the universe? Maybe but not one that is written about or worshipped. That defeats your argument.

How little do you understand. God is actually Someone. Here is another clue: What purpose would it serve for God to be written about or worshiped? Remember, Eternity has Purpose. What is the Purpose?

 

[Trailblazer]

I find it funny people can be satisfied with beliefs. That could never be me.

Yet that is what you have, beliefs. The only difference between my beliefs and your beliefs that my beliefs are religious beliefs and your beliefs come from you.

 

[Bird123]

Just because others come to different conclusions to you doesn't mean they aren't right.

What you now have to do is show the evidence you have for your side of the debate.

Are you now telling me what I must do? Everyone wants to rule the world, right??

You simply do not understand. You have allowed religion to corrupt your thinking.

The journey is never done. There is always more to Discover. If one stops the journey at any one belief, do they really seek the answers?

I have pointed you in the direction by which you can Discover the answers. Like I said before. How badly to you want answers? I will never be like religion and serve up beliefs to be accepted or rejected. Forget beliefs. Discover the Truth for yourself.

There was a time when science stated the smallest part of an element was an atom. OK, that was the conclusion. Did they stop there? They could have but they were seeking Truth. Today, science realizes the smallest part of an element is not the atom. Like I said. The journey never ends.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Where is your evidence? I've given mine, it's your turn to present yours.

It stares you in the face. Can you see?

 

[Trailblazer]

I place truth in the world. What you do with truth is up to you.

You place what you believe is the truth in the world, your version of the truth.

 

[Bird123]

So present your evidence of a god creating anything and we can carry on this discussion.

Burden of proof rests on those who seek the knowledge. Do you seek? I have my proof. I have pointed you in the direction by which you can Discover the proof for yourself. What you seek has always been up to you.

That's what I see, It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

You simply do not understand. You have allowed religion to corrupt your thinking.

You blame everything on religion, yet you have no legitimate case against religion...

84 percent of the world population has a faith but according to you all these people are misguided but you know how to Discover God without any religion...Yet you cannot explain how that is possible.

Paul is not religious, he is an atheist, so religion has not corrupted his thinking.

 

[Trailblazer]

Burden of proof rests on those who seek the knowledge.

No, the burden of proof rests on those who claim to have the knowledge.

Burden of seeking rests on those who want to know the Truth.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

What ever gave you the idea that I think anyone should accept what I believe?
I certainly do not expect that.

I have hundreds of Word documents I have collected over the years, but I am not going to post them unless I have a reason to do so, not unless there is a true seeker about.

If you want to see the prophecies Baha'u'llah fulfilled and how they were fulfilled you can read about them yourself in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.

Read it and then tell me why you think they were not fulfilled.

Then I will post them and my reasons for not believing. It's up to individual readers to decide for themselves. We just present the evidence.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

You have no idea what the future holds so what waste of time conjecturing about it...

Only God knows the future.

I think it is also a waste of time to talk about the past and what religions have done, or should I say what people have done in the NAME of religion.

All we have is the present and we can work towards a better future.
Some people are optimistic, some like you are pessimistic. We all have our reasons.

I do know that climate change is going to cause a lot more unrest.
I do know that nations will continue to fight.
Empired will rise and fall.
I do know that science will discover many more new things including new forms of power.

And so does everyone else. Foretelling the exact date, reason, consequence, etc is a gift no one has unless lile Bahaullah, Nostedamas and others you tell so many prophecies some have to be right. Bahaullah did throw a dart and hope.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

In my view, the Gods were always involved as they act through natural processes and are immanent in nature, not transcendent of it.

So a god was involved in the parts we don't know about. That means it's no god ever written about. If you're a Christian you have 6 days to deal with if you believe your god created the Earth and all in it.
Unless you think your bible is lying to keep you from the truth.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

you know what that is? Faith!

Just what missing parts, do you think, have evolution researchers already filled in? The more complexity that is discovered (which happens every day), the less Darwinism can explain, with concrete evolutionary pathways. It’s mostly all supposition - guesses - interpretations. But Naturalism is the only cause science accepts, so it limits itself.... needing to reference mechanisms (forces that are unguided & mindless) to interpret the facts.

That’s their Achilles heel, in a way.

Fortunately, not all scientists agree w/ “naturalism only”

Darwin was the first brick in what now is a wall longer the GreatWall in China.
Again if you follow the Abrahamic religion you have to believe in Adam, Eve and 6 days. Not "Well we don't know this tiny little bit so god was involved."

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

It stares you in the face. Can you see?

No all I see is your logo and text. Looking at your relies in detail I deduce you are trying to wind others up or trolling or both.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I'm amused and slightly, very slightly, annoyed at people who claim god got involved in creation with the parts yet to be discovered.

The truth is obvious they don't believe in their bible stories, but unwilling to say so. Because the moment you leave those bible stories you're wavering from your religion. Which tells you how the world was created by your god.

Christians have 1 story to stick to if they believe in their bible.

6 days
Adam and Eve
Cain and Abel
Cain kills Abel
Cain finds a wife in the next tribe.

Thinking your religion holds a lot of good moral guidance to lead your life, such as love your neighbour, don't kill, steal, etc is a great way to lead your life and I've lived by these rules for 70 years. . So no religion required on this journey.

Same goes for Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I believe many religions are creations by men. True religion comes from God.

And that would be your religion. LOL

Is it Jesus or the religion created by others that use him as a figurehead?

 

[Trailblazer]

Then I will post them and my reasons for not believing. It's up to individual readers to decide for themselves. We just present the evidence.

BTW, I was not referring to predictions Baha'u'llah made, I was referring yo prophecies that were fulfilled by His Coming.

 

[Trailblazer]

And so does everyone else. Foretelling the exact date, reason, consequence, etc is a gift no one has unless lile Bahaullah, Nostedamas and others you tell so many prophecies some have to be right. Bahaullah did throw a dart and hope.

BI guess what you simply do not understand is that Baha'u'llah was not trying to prove anything with His predictions, so He was not "hoping" for anything.

 

[Bird123]

You blame everything on religion, yet you have no legitimate case against religion...

84 percent of the world population has a faith but according to you all these people are misguided but you know how to Discover God without any religion...Yet you cannot explain how that is possible.

Paul is not religious, he is an atheist, so religion has not corrupted his thinking.

How little you really understand. Religion can corrupt even an atheist's thinking when religion teaches people to value Beliefs above all else. Many many people do.

Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God. What is wrong with that? Religion is also a catalyst that brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. After all, when one thinks they have God's blessing, one can justify anything. Religion does serve a purpose with this.

The real problem comes when people are convinced to accept, believe and they no longer think for themselves or question what is said to them. This also serves a purpose.

Can one escape from the flypaper? How strong is one? How dependent has one become? Is Truth what one seeks or is it the comfort of their beliefs? Is religion really teaching only goodness?

Just like with God, there are multiple angles to everything. I do not value Blame as you appear to do, however I do call it as it is. Keep a wide view and go in with open eyes through every step in life.

A million upon a million questions, when one no longer questions, is one seeking anything at all? I think not!! Since life is about learning and growing, it kind of puts a hold on things until that next adversity shows up to push one forward again.

Remember Blame is one of those petty things mankind holds so dear. Blame has never held any real value. Let it go.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

No, the burden of proof rests on those who claim to have the knowledge.

Burden of seeking rests on those who want to know the Truth.

Burden of proof would rest on the one making the claim only if that person's goal was to convince others to believe. Unlike any religion, that is not my goal.

Have your freedom!! Choose as you will!! If you really seek truth, would not you look into all the possibilities? I placed truth out there. Do as you will from here. Let freedom reign.

Just like people believing in religion, the one who seeks must determine what is True. You see, it has never ever been about following or accepting. It is about thinking, learning, questioning, then Discovering the Real Truth for yourself. Others might convince you to accept beliefs, but are you really seeking truth.

Remember, with free will, everyone is choosing what they seek. For so many it is all about what feels good rather than what actually exists.

I do not have to tell you who I am. I am one who seeks. I am the forever hungry student. I am the sponge wanting to Discover more for there is more that I do not know than I do. My journey continues. This is in all subjects not just God.

That is what I see. It's very clear!!