No it does not prove that at all.
I am going to say goodbye Paul.
Have a great life.
Regards Tony
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Are Religions and Gods manmade?
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No it does not prove that at all.
I am going to say goodbye Paul.
Have a great life.
Regards Tony
PAUL MARKHAM
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PAUL MARKHAM
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I will show that Bahaullah didn't have a clue.
The New Race of Men would have stopped all the atrocities I listed. 20th century atrocities - Google Search
All he did was predict wars that were already predicted. He missed all the other ones. 20th century wars - Google Search
Trailblazer
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It can be seen if you look... and take off your dark glasses.
Angels are in our midst, all the valiant people who sacrifice their time and their lives for the good of other people.
But all you see is black, because that is what you are looking for.
Trailblazer
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Why would they have and how could they have stopped dictators?
That is a bald assertion, balder than bald......
The only way to stop Trump was to vote him out of office.
That is the New Race of Men who did that.
PAUL MARKHAM
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PAUL MARKHAM
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If the New Race of Men that started in the 19th century can't stop atrocities, what's the point?
Trailblazer
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In hospitals all over the world, and on battlefields.
Wake up and smell the coffee. there are good people all around us, and it has nothing to do with what religion thye are.
What does that have to do with anything?
I do not agree with their principles and policies, that is why I don't vote for them.
Trailblazer
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When there are enough if them, the tables will turn and there will be no more atrocities.
This is only the very beginning if a new age.
PAUL MARKHAM
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That proves nothing.
Trailblazer
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It proves there are good people all over the world who are willing to sacrifice for other people.
You are so negative, it is really sad.
Yes, that is right. In fact, the evidence that all living things are formed from the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen & phosphorous, constructing a ribose-based common blueprint — DNA, and the genes within it — is strong evidence for one Creator, and not several.
And on a related topic, Darwin had no idea of the elegant & integrated complexity of the cell!
If he had understood it, he would have realized way back then, that his theory had limits.
Just now though, they’re realizing evolution has “explanatory deficits”, as Gerd Müller has pointed out.
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joelr
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Yes and he proposes to fill the deficits with his ideas called an Extended Evolutionary Synthesis. No God here at all.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsfs.2017.0015
A renewed and extended
theoretical synthesis, advocated by several authors in this issue, aims to
unite pertinent concepts that emerge from the novel fields with elements
of the standard theory. The resulting theoretical framework differs from
the latter in its core logic and predictive capacities. Whereas the MS
theory and its various amendments concentrate on genetic and adaptive
variation in populations, the extended framework emphasizes the role of
constructive processes, ecological interactions and systems dynamics in the
evolution of organismal complexity as well as its social and cultural con-
ditions. Single-level and unilinear causation is replaced by multilevel and
reciprocal causation. Among other consequences, the extended framework
overcomes many of the limitations of traditional gene-centric explanation
and entails a revised understanding of the role of natural selection in the
evolutionary process. All these features stimulate research into new areas
of evolutionary biology
Well, thank you for finally dealing with some of the issues! At least I can tell you read some of them.
First, you didn’t “debunk” anything...you simply provided a counter-argument, and one that has proven unreliable: residual 14C determinations. Radiocarbon dating is only reliable up to about 5,000 yrs bp. Prior to that time, cosmic radiation was less dense in Earth’s atmosphere, resulting in huge chronological jumps. Why? Those stratospheric ice crystals, one of the sources of the Deluge's water. It would also account for the warm temperatures discovered to have existed in the past. That Greenhouse effect would have immediately dissipated, resulting in permafrost and the animals found within it.
It would also explain those radiocarbon dating discrepancies.
BTW....
How many different times, do you think, were vast numbers of megafauna trapped - very quickly apparently, due to their extreme preservation - within the permafrost? Some at 10,000 ya, others at 40,000, still others at 50,000 ya?
What caused this to re-occur? Huh? Oh, that’s right....science has “no reliable explanation.”
They do? Lol....
What does a fast-freezing permafrost require, then? Drastic atmospheric changes, for sure! But what’s the cause? Oh, that’s right....they “don’t know.”
But again, it must’ve happened several times, to have preserved these “different-aged” Mammoths underthe permafrost.
Once again, their arguments attack the Young Earth POV! The YEC view is that the Flood laid down the sediments and strata found Earthwide, such as the strata found in the Grand Canyon.
YEC is faulty, no doubt. The Earth is probably billions of years old.
But YEC is unrelated to the Flood....they are not inextricably tied to each other.
To link the two, is similar to saying “evolution is false, because the Piltdown Man was a hoax.”
That’s ridiculous.
I'll tell you one thing....with regard to the Grand Canyon, it is ridiculous to believe the Noachian Flood laid down it's rock layers, but the Flood would certainly have deeply cut into the already-existinng strata underneath that area, thereby forming it!
It would also explain how the Grand Canyon has side canyons merging into it! Against the flow of the Colorado River!
If it was solely formed by the River, where is the sediment from all that erosion?
Science has no satisfactory answer.
I have given you many!
Lol.
Not quite “entire.” But mainstream.
Do you really expect secular scientists - those devoted to naturalism - to give any credence to any Biblical supernatural event? Their naturalistic ideas would come crashing down!
They don’t mind backing Scripture when it comes to the mundane, like verifying certain cities existed, or certain people lived, in the past.
(Archeologists have proven those evidences many times.)
But anything that might even slightly support the Bible as being of Divine origin, is quickly discredited.....even if the answer is “we don’t know.”
“An unusually large number of cultures”?
I couldn’t find this anywhere, unless you mean Tantalus.
Although the myth of Tantalus was based on a real person, even so, this is just from one culture.
References would be helpful. Please, I'd really like to know about this "boy w/ plumes." Did you mean Tantalus?
Furthermore, the Ark's dimension ratios do matter, combining it w/ all the other evidences!!
Just saying it "means nothing," means nothing.
First, you didn’t “debunk” anything...you simply provided a counter-argument, and one that has proven unreliable: residual 14C determinations. Radiocarbon dating is only reliable up to about 5,000 yrs bp. Prior to that time, cosmic radiation was less dense in Earth’s atmosphere, resulting in huge chronological jumps. Why? Those stratospheric ice crystals, one of the sources of the Deluge's water. It would also account for the warm temperatures discovered to have existed in the past. That Greenhouse effect would have immediately dissipated, resulting in permafrost and the animals found within it.
It would also explain those radiocarbon dating discrepancies.
BTW....
How many different times, do you think, were vast numbers of megafauna trapped - very quickly apparently, due to their extreme preservation - within the permafrost? Some at 10,000 ya, others at 40,000, still others at 50,000 ya?
What caused this to re-occur? Huh? Oh, that’s right....science has “no reliable explanation.”
They do? Lol....
What does a fast-freezing permafrost require, then? Drastic atmospheric changes, for sure! But what’s the cause? Oh, that’s right....they “don’t know.”
But again, it must’ve happened several times, to have preserved these “different-aged” Mammoths underthe permafrost.
Once again, their arguments attack the Young Earth POV! The YEC view is that the Flood laid down the sediments and strata found Earthwide, such as the strata found in the Grand Canyon.
YEC is faulty, no doubt. The Earth is probably billions of years old.
But YEC is unrelated to the Flood....they are not inextricably tied to each other.
To link the two, is similar to saying “evolution is false, because the Piltdown Man was a hoax.”
That’s ridiculous.
I'll tell you one thing....with regard to the Grand Canyon, it is ridiculous to believe the Noachian Flood laid down it's rock layers, but the Flood would certainly have deeply cut into the already-existinng strata underneath that area, thereby forming it!
It would also explain how the Grand Canyon has side canyons merging into it! Against the flow of the Colorado River!
If it was solely formed by the River, where is the sediment from all that erosion?
Science has no satisfactory answer.
I have given you many!
Lol.
Not quite “entire.” But mainstream.
Do you really expect secular scientists - those devoted to naturalism - to give any credence to any Biblical supernatural event? Their naturalistic ideas would come crashing down!
They don’t mind backing Scripture when it comes to the mundane, like verifying certain cities existed, or certain people lived, in the past.
(Archeologists have proven those evidences many times.)
But anything that might even slightly support the Bible as being of Divine origin, is quickly discredited.....even if the answer is “we don’t know.”
“An unusually large number of cultures”?
I couldn’t find this anywhere, unless you mean Tantalus.
Although the myth of Tantalus was based on a real person, even so, this is just from one culture.
References would be helpful. Please, I'd really like to know about this "boy w/ plumes." Did you mean Tantalus?
Furthermore, the Ark's dimension ratios do matter, combining it w/ all the other evidences!!
Just saying it "means nothing," means nothing.
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But 5 years ago — before the EES meeting in 2016 — mainstream evolutionary biologists like Dawkins said “natural selection already explained it all”! They couldn’t admit such problems plagued evolutionary research.
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PAUL MARKHAM
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Thank you for that brilliant piece of observation.
PAUL MARKHAM
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It proves nothing. Because for every person on a battlefield there are 100 people doing the harm.It proves there are good people all over the world who are willing to sacrifice for other people.
You are so negative, it is really sad.
Because for every policeman there are more criminals.
PAUL MARKHAM
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Stop bringing scientific proof into the debate. LOL
Ajarn
Member
That is a matter of opinion
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You are so negative.
For every 1 bad person there are probably 9 good people, thanks to God and religion.