Are science and spirituality compatible?

[shawn001]

Hmm.....so I see why the spirit of taking on the space frontier...it's in your genes, and the earth is all explored... But the Caesar/Cotta and Martin Luther genes must not be turned on yet...for then you would intuit the esoteric understanding of ancient religious practice..

Exploration and curiosity would seem to be in my gene's perhaps, I believe they are a big part of humanity's nature though. The Earth is in no way all explored and part of going into space is to explore the Earth from space not just space itself. . We are also looking at some flying and demonstrating some pioneering new technologies, that could have major benefits to humans and Earth. Earth maybe home, but space is where it all began.

I don't know if you ever watched this but it is awesome! On Space and the Earth and what we have learned from space about the earth, this is very new exciting stuff.


NOVA | Earth From Space [HD]

""Earth From Space" is a groundbreaking two-hour special that reveals a spectacular new space-based vision of our planet. Produced in extensive consultation with NASA scientists, NOVA takes data from earth-observing satellites and transforms it into dazzling visual sequences, each one exposing the intricate and surprising web of forces that sustains life on earth. Viewers witness how dust blown from the Sahara fertilizes the Amazon; how a vast submarine "waterfall" off Antarctica helps drive ocean currents around the world; and how the Sun's heating up of the southern Atlantic gives birth to a colossally powerful hurricane. From the microscopic world of water molecules vaporizing over the ocean to the magnetic field that is bigger than Earth itself, the show reveals the astonishing beauty and complexity of our dynamic planet.

It is REALLY worth watching.

My family took in Martin Luther when he was 16 and taught him manners, he was a young boy and on the streets. I would have done the same as it was just being nice.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

My family took in Martin Luther when he was 16 and taught him manners, he was a young boy and on the streets. I would have done the same as it was just being nice.

It's nice to see naught boys kept off the street....

As for the rest of your post...and most of your previous posts Shawn, please correct me if I am mistaken, but you are about the human management of the earths environment, conservationism, sustainability, climate change....and thus I must be frank and honest with you that I consider those characteristics as representing the very worst that the human race exhibits. It is the predominate sin of the contemporary planetary human power structure....materialistic and irreligious to the point of profanity.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The NOVA video is worth watching....anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear will note that the earth is an indivisible one and all apparent energy exchanges are a part of the one complete movement....but then one could include the source, and extend this oneness to include the sun.

Watch the one minute piece starting at the 9 minute mark that describes the frequency spectrum of the EM energy being sensed by an instrument of one of NASA climate satellites. If you imagined wavelengths from the highest frequency starting at NY in the east, to the longest wavelengths stretching to LA in the west, you can see that this radiant energy is part of a frequency continuum. It helps to think of this spectrum in octaves....every time the frequency is doubled, the wavelength is halved. So the radio wave component is long at LA, microwave is shorter, then to the infrared, to the octave of the visible light at NY, which for the sake of this analogy is said to be the size of a dime.......then on to ultraviolet, X rays, cosmic rays etc., where the wavelengths are now so small that there is no man made instrument that can detect them (zpe).....so the spectrum ends there at NY.

Now imagine an instrument that could sense the radiant energy of the whole Cosmic EM spectrum, the longer wavelengths would go on until they reach the size of the Cosmos which imho is infinite.....and the shorter wavelengths would get so small that it would become like the paradox of the ball thrown at the wall at a finite velocity and never reaches it you calculate how far it travels by ever halving the distance between the thrower and the wall....so we can say the wavelengths reach the infinitesimal.

Thus I suggest that the oneness we observe here on earth, extends to the solar system, and to the galaxy and to the universe....hail thee underlying unity of all that is...call this oneness what you like...a rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Are science and spirituality compatible?

A fact is categorically distinct from an opinion. Any fact applies to a creation, and any opinion applies to a creator.

So we can see as fact what happened in the history of the universe, and can make an opinion on the spirit in which it was decided.

A fact is obtained by evidence forcing to a model of what is evidenced. For example, a book describing the moon accurately. The content of the book is forced by the moon itself through evidence of it, and it is a copy of the moon to a world of words and pictures. Ofcourse there is a little subjectivity in what symbols are used to represent the moon, but in principle it is a 1 : 1 copy.

An opinion is obtained by choosing about what it is that chooses. The existence of the moon is regarded as a contingency, that there were the possibilities available that the moon came to be, and that the moon did not come to be. Then a choice is made about what spirit made the decision turn out the way it did.

That is the root of all subjectivity, and for lack of this creationist reasoning modern scientists are condemned to be judged as nerds without any emotional depth.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Are science and spirituality compatible?

Yes, since science can't rule out a laissez-faire God. Science could not be compatible with any revealed religion. Science can rule out the existence of a supernatural omnipotent interventionist divine spirit within the universe due to a complete lack of rational evidence.

 

[Gambit]

Yes, since science can't rule out a laissez-faire God. Science could not be compatible with any revealed religion. Science can rule out the existence of a supernatural omnipotent interventionist divine spirit within the universe due to a complete lack of rational evidence.

What about an interactive (as opposed to an interventionist) divine spirit?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

What about an interactive (as opposed to an interventionist) divine spirit?

Same problem. It would confirm God's existence.

 

[Gambit]

Same problem. It would confirm God's existence.

It appears (based on your previous post) that you believe that deism (your "laissez-faire God") is compatible with science. Why do you believe theism is incompatible with science?

 

[psychoslice]

Science is concerned with the objective world, spirituality is concerned with the subjective world, they are the same coin, one cannot be without the other, to see yourself as one side of the coin, is to miss the whole picture of what the world is.

 

[Gambit]

Science is concerned with the objective world, spirituality is concerned with the subjective world, they are the same coin, one cannot be without the other, to see yourself as one side of the coin, is to miss the whole picture of what the world is.

Agreed. Well-stated.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Science is concerned with the objective world, spirituality is concerned with the subjective world, they are the same coin, one cannot be without the other, to see yourself as one side of the coin, is to miss the whole picture of what the world is.

What do you mean by the "subjective world"? Do you mean our internal world?

 

[psychoslice]

What do you mean by the "subjective world"? Do you mean our internal world?

Yes, the world that is beyond that marital world.........if there is such thing of course, I don't cling to beliefs, what I share today could be totally different tomorrow.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes, the world that is beyond that marital world.........

Another gem.

 

[psychoslice]

Another gem.

yea there I go again, but language doesn't mean much to me, so go ahead and have your way with me lol.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

yea there I go again, but language doesn't mean much to me, so go ahead and have your way with me lol.

But seriously, your phrase "beyond the material world" is interesting. Do you mean beyond the observable world, stuff we cannot see?

 

[psychoslice]

But seriously, your phrase "beyond the material world" is interesting. Do you mean beyond the observable world, stuff we cannot see?

Yes, we can only really see what we are allowed to see, our senses can only sense what they can sense, other than that we have no idea of what is out there.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes, we can only really see what we are allowed to see, our senses can only sense what they can sense, other than that we have no idea of what is out there.

Yes, our senses have a quite limited range. We have instruments that can detect a much wider range though.

 

[psychoslice]

Yes, our senses have a quite limited range. We have instruments that can detect a much wider range though.

Yes but what is beyond that which they can detect ?.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yes but what is beyond that which they can detect ?.

It seems likely that gradually we will develop instruments to detect more and more, currently I think they are trying to detect dark matter for example. But probably we'll never be in a position to know we're detecting everything that might be "out there", so there'll always be some room for speculation.

I think you could view science and spirituality as complimentary, in the sense that one focuses on "out there" while the other focuses on "in here". I think spirituality gets into trouble when it tries to make "out there" pronouncements.

 

[psychoslice]

It seems likely that gradually we will develop instruments to detect more and more, currently I think they are trying to detect dark matter for example. But probably we'll never be in a position to know we're detecting everything that might be "out there", so there'll always be some room for speculation.

Most certainly there will, and this is good thinking, this is why I will never argue or debate such topics.