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Are sexually immoral thoughts considered Sin

Eyes to See

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Interesting, that is very similar to my Baha'i beliefs.

“Bahá’u’lláh, in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, has exhorted us not to indulge our passions and in one of His well-known Tablets ‘Abdu'l-Bahá encourages us to keep our 'secret thoughts pure'. Of course many wayward thoughts come involuntarily to the mind and these are merely a result of weakness and are not blameworthy unless they become fixed or even worse, are expressed in improper acts.”

Lights of Guidance/Chastity and Sex Education - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith

God's word tells us that there are two types of people. A spiritual person, and a physical person. The physical person keeps his mind set on the desires of the flesh and is dead spiritually.

A spiritual person keeps his mind set on the things of the spirit. But that does not mean he is not a sinner. And because he is a sinner there is a war that is waged within. The war between the thoughts of the spiritual person and the physical person:

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit, on the things of the spirit."-Romans 8:5.

"For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. For I do not understand what I am doing. For I do not practice what I wish, but I do what I hate.  However, if I do what I do not wish, I agree that the Law is fine.  But now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for I have the desire to do what is fine but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good that I wish, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice.  If, then, I do what I do not wish, I am no longer the one carrying it out, but it is the sin dwelling in me."-Romans 7:14-20.

There is always a spiritual battle going on within a person who is spiritual and serves Jehovah God. It is a war between the spiritual person and the fleshly one. And it can only be won by means of Christ Jesus. For when we are weak we are made powerful in the holy spirit by God to go on carrying no fleshly desire at all:

"For the flesh is against the spirit in its desire, and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you do not do the very things you want to do."-Galatians 5:17.

"For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power."-Philippians 4:13.

"For when I am weak, then I am powerful."-2 Corinthians 12:10.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
God's word tells us that there are two types of people. A spiritual person, and a physical person. The physical person keeps his mind set on the desires of the flesh and is dead spiritually.

A spiritual person keeps his mind set on the things of the spirit. But that does not mean he is not a sinner. And because he is a sinner there is a war that is waged within. The war between the thoughts of the spiritual person and the physical person:

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit, on the things of the spirit."-Romans 8:5.

"For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. For I do not understand what I am doing. For I do not practice what I wish, but I do what I hate.  However, if I do what I do not wish, I agree that the Law is fine.  But now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for I have the desire to do what is fine but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good that I wish, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice.  If, then, I do what I do not wish, I am no longer the one carrying it out, but it is the sin dwelling in me."-Romans 7:14-20.

There is always a spiritual battle going on within a person who is spiritual and serves Jehovah God. It is a war between the spiritual person and the fleshly one. And it can only be won by means of Christ Jesus. For when we are weak we are made powerful in the holy spirit by God to go on carrying no fleshly desire at all:

"For the flesh is against the spirit in its desire, and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you do not do the very things you want to do."-Galatians 5:17.

"For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power."-Philippians 4:13.

"For when I am weak, then I am powerful."-2 Corinthians 12:10.
This is the same as what Baha'is believe, that there is always a battle going on between our animal nature and our spiritual nature. Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature.

29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.

The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality.

The Christ is the central point of the Holy Spirit: He is born of the Holy Spirit; He is raised up by the Holy Spirit; He is the descendant of the Holy Spirit—that is to say, that the Reality of Christ does not descend from Adam; no, it is born of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, this verse in Corinthians, “As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive,” means, according to this terminology, that Adam 1 is the father of man—that is to say, He is the cause of the physical life of mankind; His was the physical fatherhood. He is a living soul, but He is not the giver of spiritual life, whereas Christ is the cause of the spiritual life of man, and with regard to the spirit, His was the spiritual fatherhood. Adam is a living soul; Christ is a quickening spirit.

This physical world of man is subject to the power of the lusts, and sin is the consequence of this power of the lusts, for it is not subject to the laws of justice and holiness. The body of man is a captive of nature; it will act in accordance with whatever nature orders. It is, therefore, certain that sins such as anger, jealousy, dispute, covetousness, avarice, ignorance, prejudice, hatred, pride and tyranny exist in the physical world. All these brutal qualities exist in the nature of man. A man who has not had a spiritual education is a brute. Like the savages of Africa, whose actions, habits and morals are purely sensual, they act according to the demands of nature to such a degree that they rend and eat one another. Thus it is evident that the physical world of man is a world of sin. In this physical world man is not distinguished from the animal.

All sin comes from the demands of nature, and these demands, which arise from the physical qualities, are not sins with respect to the animals, while for man they are sin. The animal is the source of imperfections, such as anger, sensuality, jealousy, avarice, cruelty, pride: all these defects are found in animals but do not constitute sins. But in man they are sins.

Adam is the cause of man’s physical life; but the Reality of Christ—that is to say, the Word of God—is the cause of spiritual life. It is “a quickening spirit,” meaning that all the imperfections which come from the requirements of the physical life of man are transformed into human perfections by the teachings and education of that spirit. Therefore, Christ was a quickening spirit, and the cause of life in all mankind.

Adam was the cause of physical life, and as the physical world of man is the world of imperfections, and imperfections are the equivalent of death, Paul compared the physical imperfections to death.

But the mass of the Christians believe that, as Adam ate of the forbidden tree, He sinned in that He disobeyed, and that the disastrous consequences of this disobedience have been transmitted as a heritage and have remained among His descendants. Hence Adam became the cause of the death of humanity. This explanation is unreasonable and evidently wrong, for it means that all men, even the Prophets and the Messengers of God, without committing any sin or fault, but simply because they are the posterity of Adam, have become without reason guilty sinners, and until the day of the sacrifice of Christ were held captive in hell in painful torment. This is far from the justice of God. If Adam was a sinner, what is the sin of Abraham? What is the fault of Isaac, or of Joseph? Of what is Moses guilty?

But Christ, Who is the Word of God, sacrificed Himself. This has two meanings, an apparent and an esoteric meaning. The outward meaning is this: Christ’s intention was to represent and promote a Cause which was to educate the human world, to quicken the children of Adam, and to enlighten all mankind; and since to represent such a great Cause—a Cause which was antagonistic to all the people of the world and all the nations and kingdoms—meant that He would be killed and crucified, so Christ in proclaiming His mission sacrificed His life. He regarded the cross as a throne, the wound as a balm, the poison as honey and sugar. He arose to teach and educate men, and so He sacrificed Himself to give the spirit of life. He perished in body so as to quicken others by the spirit.

The second meaning of sacrifice is this: Christ was like a seed, and this seed sacrificed its own form so that the tree might grow and develop. Although the form of the seed was destroyed, its reality became apparent in perfect majesty and beauty in the form of a tree.

The position of Christ was that of absolute perfection; He made His divine perfections shine like the sun upon all believing souls, and the bounties of the light shone and radiated in the reality of men. This is why He says: “I am the bread which descended from heaven; whosoever shall eat of this bread will not die” 2 —that is to say, that whosoever shall partake of this divine food will attain unto eternal life: that is, every one who partakes of this bounty and receives these perfections will find eternal life, will obtain preexistent favors, will be freed from the darkness of error, and will be illuminated by the light of His guidance.

The form of the seed was sacrificed for the tree, but its perfections, because of this sacrifice, became evident and apparent—the tree, the branches, the leaves and the blossoms being concealed in the seed. When the form of the seed was sacrificed, its perfections appeared in the perfect form of leaves, blossoms and fruits.

Some Answered Questions, pp. 118-121
 
I think the greatest sin mentioned here so far is not openly discussing this all with your husband and working on a solution or compromise, rather than discussing it here (he doesn't know about these posts right?), and if he is the sort of person who wouldn't even be able to hear such a thing from you and can't deal with it or do anything nice for you, then what is this relationship? Its unfortunate possibly that you waited until you are 51 though, since starting fresh after that point can be extremely difficult, possibly even impossible.

Its even unlikely that Hellbound Serpiente would reject you due to your age or appearance, but there are some people who have a particular interest and attraction to the idea of a "horny middle aged woman" or "mother I'd like to..."

Anyway, the first person that you should have been able to discuss these matters with and find solutions for with is most likely your husband.

I'm interested to know what your "sinful thought" or desire may have been (these days it seems its no holds barred with all kinds of things which would steam conservative elderly ladies glasses in the past), and if you "get off" or get somewhat stimulated by bringing it up in a public place like this and discussing it.

I'm also interested in how religious you are, and why you would name yourself fallenangel, and if you are actually interested in become a succubus or a nymphomaniac or something if you could, and what might be holding you back from such? Are you interested in exhibitionism, "being watched", pornography, orgies?

Hellbound Serpiente seems to be, and a lucrative career may be awaiting both of you. Do these ideas excite you? Can fantasies really stay fantasies without causing pain?
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
I am married. My husband and I are on opposites poles with our sexuality. He is of a "vanilla" taste which mine are very much not. Is it considered a sin to have sexual immoral thoughts during sex with your husband to obtain sexual pleasure while thinking of a sexual act with a faceless person (the faceless person performing my sexual fantasy on me) to achieve sexual satisfaction?

The bible says that one's actions will be judged, not ones thoughts. Desire leads to sin, but is not the sin itself.

Welcome to RF!
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
I don't think it is weird, I guess it just seems like a foreign concept to me. I've never been with someone who wasn't possessive. My father is of my mom, my brother with his wife, any relationship I have had was the same. Just seeing your comment about that made my eyes pop momentarily lol I'm just realizing that people think so differently from each other. Thanks for your input :)

Looking at Catholic rules it seems like it could be a bit on the sinny side.
What is lust? | The Catholic Leader

What has you convinced there is a theistic God watching and judging people's sex lives?
 
A very long story without video.

Actual he's not really bothered about watching as long i had what i deserve.
Sounds very interesting! I have viewed some documentaries on such a subject. One thing that has never been explained to me though is how to get the genital part into the genital part of the other person, that is always just skipped over as if it just goes right in, but my whole genital part is way larger than the entire face of their genital part and I can't even get it in, so I'd like that explained. I also want to know what this faceless guy (a demon) is doing to the "fallenangel" in her mind while he steals her away as she crushes her husband with her weight (I just assume people who are having all these sex issues are likely obese as well, or maybe that is how I prefer to think of them).
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Sounds very interesting! I have viewed some documentaries on such a subject. One thing that has never been explained to me though is how to get the genital part into the genital part of the other person, that is always just skipped over as if it just goes right in, but my whole genital part is way larger than the entire face of their genital part and I can't even get it in, so I'd like that explained. I also want to know what this faceless guy (a demon) is doing to the "fallenangel" in her mind while he steals her away as she crushes her husband with her weight (I just assume people who are having all these sex issues are likely obese as well, or maybe that is how I prefer to think of them).

If you can't get it in then you are not doing it right?

Why should a healthy fantasy life mean you are obese?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I am married. My husband and I are on opposites poles with our sexuality. He is of a "vanilla" taste which mine are very much not. Is it considered a sin to have sexual immoral thoughts during sex with your husband to obtain sexual pleasure while thinking of a sexual act with a faceless person (the faceless person performing my sexual fantasy on me) to achieve sexual satisfaction?
IMO, no.

"Sin" means "to miss the mark", thus since you haven't taken any action where's the sin since you have not hurt your husband? Actually telling him you're doing this at times may be construed as being more of a "sin" since you'd be hurting his feelings.
 
If you can't get it in then you are not doing it right?

Why should a healthy fantasy life mean you are obese?

I guess because you can't fulfil the fantasies as easily so they remain fantasies and you fantasize more because you're not doing them, or maybe because the large amounts of calories and little amount of exercise sends all that energy to the brain which goes into overdrive since its all that is left, moving without moving.

There is the little hole (not the anus) and its the little hole towards the bottom of the vagina. My whole penis and head of the penis and shaft is humungous so larger than the whole entire lips of the vagina. Anyway though, one directs the penis tip towards this lower hole and there is nowhere for it to go or push in, its just this huge thing at a wall with a tiny speck in the wall. Its all wrong. That is why I want this woman to bring up her issues with her husband and see where it might lead them. I'm jealous she can even have issues, its so irritating to me, who can't even get the giant penis in any hole in the first place, and she just rubs it in!
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I am married. My husband and I are on opposites poles with our sexuality. He is of a "vanilla" taste which mine are very much not. Is it considered a sin to have sexual immoral thoughts during sex with your husband to obtain sexual pleasure while thinking of a sexual act with a faceless person (the faceless person performing my sexual fantasy on me) to achieve sexual satisfaction?

I believe so. As I grew in my faith I had to change my ways. Old habits die hard.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I guess because you can't fulfil the fantasies as easily so they remain fantasies and you fantasize more because you're not doing them, or maybe because the large amounts of calories and little amount of exercise sends all that energy to the brain which goes into overdrive since its all that is left, moving without moving.

There is the little hole (not the anus) and its the little hole towards the bottom of the vagina. My whole penis and head of the penis and shaft is humungous so larger than the whole entire lips of the vagina. Anyway though, one directs the penis tip towards this lower hole and there is nowhere for it to go or push in, its just this huge thing at a wall with a tiny speck in the wall. Its all wrong. That is why I want this woman to bring up her issues with her husband and see where it might lead them. I'm jealous she can even have issues, its so irritating to me, who can't even get the giant penis in any hole in the first place, and she just rubs it in!

Anyone can have fantasies, including me and im 5:10 and 135 pounds so most definitely not obese.


That's the urethrae, i said you weren't doing it right.
Or maybe you think tour penis is that thing on your shoulders?
A woman gives birth so you penis really is not going to cause much problem.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Love is very powerful. So is sexual attraction. Guilt is sometimes good but can also destroy. I can only urge moderation in all things. If you try to be too perfect you'll self destruct. If you let yourself be completely decadent you'll also self destruct. Find the best version of you that you can be, and be that.

I believe purity has value. For instance if my cereal has weevils. If I only pluck out a majority of them and leave a few is my cereal going to be appetizing?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
There is the little hole (not the anus) and its the little hole towards the bottom of the vagina. My whole penis and head of the penis and shaft is humungous so larger than the whole entire lips of the vagina. Anyway though, one directs the penis tip towards this lower hole and there is nowhere for it to go or push in, its just this huge thing at a wall with a tiny speck in the wall. Its all wrong. That is why I want this woman to bring up her issues with her husband and see where it might lead them. I'm jealous she can even have issues, its so irritating to me, who can't even get the giant penis in any hole in the first place, and she just rubs it in!
What in the world? Do you know anything about female anatomy? :eek:
 

Brickjectivity

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I believe purity has value. For instance if my cereal has weevils. If I only pluck out a majority of them and leave a few is my cereal going to be appetizing?
Sure but it seems to me that extreme purity destroys a human. That is my personal experience and also what I read from Ecclesiastes. Who can straighten what God has make crooked? (Eccl 7:13) Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise— why destroy yourself? (Ecc 7:16) Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins. (Ecc 7:20) Hence I have to confess my imperfection, accept my weakness and aim for being the best I can and not 'Pure'. Its like the way that attraction holds electrons to the atom while the strong nuclear force keeps them from annihilating with the protons. The two forces purity and weakness are balanced in people. We just can't be pure all the time, just as we can't be happy all the time.
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
talking about sin is a thorny issue for humanity...
questions of conscience and all that are such difficult issues where people can be ruined by others,
even well meaning interests.....
so notwithstanding all that matter,
I think that if one's fantasies do not draw one closer to the one they are with,
then those fantasies are failing to animate the activities [in the moment]
and one should take that as a huge hint for them to go back to basics
to figure out how to work their practical magic efficaciously, to mutual satisfaction.
it is supposed to be a creative act after all, done with passion and zest,
or else, what is the point, just perfunctory glandular release of pressures for a dopamine payoff....[which is qualitatively the same as being a robotic junkie]o_O
 
What in the world? Do you know anything about female anatomy? :eek:

Yeah, I think so, and besides textbooks, I can access a real life female body.

So there is the clitoris under the clitoral hood which comes out a bit if stimulated, there is the urethra, there is the hole or space under the urethra which is where the penis is supposed to go in, then there is the anus. The hole where the penis goes in is very small, but my penis is much larger than the whole vagina area or lips altogether anyway. In this case, the girl may also have a hymen or something possibly but who knows as it all looks like a wall or covered up or just a tiny speck of a hole if at all.

Its not just this vagina, its any and all vaginas, I can't get the giant penis in the little hole, its like pushing against a wall, it doesn't go anywhere or in no matter how much jabbing or jamming, I spread open the lips, I direct it right to the correct area, and its so big it just overtales everything and folds everything in and doesn't go much forward.

This has made me extremely angry.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Yeah, I think so, and besides textbooks, I can access a real life female body.

So there is the clitoris under the clitoral hood which comes out a bit if stimulated, there is the urethra, there is the hole or space under the urethra which is where the penis is supposed to go in, then there is the anus. The hole where the penis goes in is very small, but my penis is much larger than the whole vagina area or lips altogether anyway. In this case, the girl may also have a hymen or something possibly but who knows as it all looks like a wall or covered up or just a tiny speck of a hole if at all.

Its not just this vagina, its any and all vaginas, I can't get the giant penis in the little hole, its like pushing against a wall, it doesn't go anywhere or in no matter how much jabbing or jamming, I spread open the lips, I direct it right to the correct area, and its so big it just overtales everything and folds everything in and doesn't go much forward.

This has made me extremely angry.
Perhaps you should make a thread about this in the sexuality subforum so as not to distract from the OP, if you want. I think it deserves its own thread.
 
I would like to know more about the faceless man demon, when they first started appearing in the mind, in what way they appear faceless and what their other visible features or appearance factors are and how they differ from your husband who doesn't interest you or arouse you, and what this demon inhabiting your mind does that you think you like and want? Can you provide more information about all that please, "fallenangel"?
 
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