Are stupid people just generally stupid or...

[YmirGF]

I'm too stupid to have an opinion about intelligence.
*begins playing with navel lint*
*giggles*

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Proof? First, define "intelligence", Mr. Eugenicist.

There are many different aspects of intelligence--logical, spatial, emotional, etc. Different people are stronger in different areas. There is a difference between "intelligence" and "knowledge." Learning new information is obviously environmental, but the ability to reason logically, is, at least partially genetic. There is a vast amount of evidence to support this; look it up. I am not convinced, however, that certain races are genetically more intelligent than others; I think the differences are on an individual level. And no, I'm not a eugenicist, but Natural Selection is.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

And we should take your word for this because _____________________________________________________ .

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Well I am a statistics major if you want to just blindly trust in that, but my hope is that you take it upon yourself to learn what a R value actually means, when it is significant and how it can be misleading. I would also recommend you do the same with meta studies, specifically how they selected the studies to use.

 

[Deidre]

Spot on. I have a suspicion that he believes anyone who disagrees with his Xian faith is stupid. Fact is, atheists have a considerably higher IQ on average than theists. I normally don't bring this fact up when debating, because I think it's counterproductive. Nevertheless, I think it's fair game in a thread like this.

It's also fair game to remind you that many atheists are former theists.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

It's also fair game to remind you that many atheists are former theists.

Of course. Presumably their genetically higher IQ is what gave them the ability to reason themselves away from theism. Of course I'm over-generalizing; there are many smart theists, but I am attempting to illustrate a point.

 

[Deidre]

Of course. Presumably their genetically higher IQ is what gave them the ability to reason themselves away from theism. Of course I'm over-generalizing; there are many smart theists, but I am attempting to illustrate a point.

lol I know.

I wonder if someone could be considered ''stupid'' yet have a considerably high IQ? Is everyone with a high IQ always guaranteed to make wise decisions? Is our basis for ''stupid'' vs ''smart'' only relegated to academia, etc?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There are many different aspects of intelligence--logical, spatial, emotional, etc. Different people are stronger in different areas. There is a difference between "intelligence" and "knowledge." Learning new information is obviously environmental, but the ability to reason logically, is, at least partially genetic. There is a vast amount of evidence to support this; look it up. I am not convinced, however, that certain races are genetically more intelligent than others; I think the differences are on an individual level. And no, I'm not a eugenicist, but Natural Selection is.

I'm not seeing any proof here. You may not identify as a eugenicist but you sure spout the same nonsense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well said!
Intelligence Quotient levels are fast becoming some new kind of class system, and typical human corruption can mess about to adjust results to suit chosen beneficiaries.

Pseudo Institutions produce quasi intellectuals who spout sophisticated rubbish, and nobody seems to want to be a tradesperson or layperson any more.

I reckon that the way to go for the next generation is towards Trades, Skills and Apprenticeships. Semi-Degrees are filling shop shelves already!

Let me correct you on some things.....
- IQ does have meaning, ie, generally the higher it is, the faster one learns.
- IQ measurement is approximate. This does not debunk its being a measure of intelligence.
- A high IQ does not mean better decision making ability. It doesn't measure that.

I've never had mine tested.
Why?
If lower than I'd expect, I'd be disappointed that I'm so dumb.
If higher than I'd expect, I'd be disappointed at my lack of success.
If what I'd expect, then why did I just waste that money & time?
See.....I couldn't win.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not seeing any proof here. You may not identify as a eugenicist but you sure spout the same nonsense.

No, he's right.
There is indeed a genetic component.
Ref....
Heritability of IQ - Wikipedia
But there sure is resistance to the concept.
Ref....
Are There Genes for Intelligence—And Is It Racist to Ask?

 

[ChristineM]

Scientists can't even agree on what intelligence is, I don't really know how they expect to measure it accurately. Personally I do not put a whole lot of stock in IQ.

I remember in one of my math courses there was a girl, who was studying medicine. She told me that she was mathematically challenged, and she was very worried she was going to fail the class, as some of the concepts were difficult. She got a the highest grade in the class, I think it was over 99%. She developed a very well thought out study plan, and simply put more effort into it than the "math wizards."

Intelligence : the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Sound's like it's pretty well defined

And science does not attempt to measure intelligence accurately. Psychology will sometimes use it as a guide.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I think most people are pretty even in real cognitive ability, barring some obvious medical condition.

Most differing opinions also are not 'stupid' if they just come from a different thoughtful personal interpretation.

i.e. the closest thing to a 'stupid' opinion is the one that goes 'what's the consensus? I'll agree with that!'

 

[oldbadger]

Let me correct you on some things.....
- IQ does have meaning, ie, generally the higher it is, the faster one learns.
- IQ measurement is approximate. This does not debunk its being a measure of intelligence.
- A high IQ does not mean better decision making ability. It doesn't measure that.

Ah... yes. But plonking obtuse puzzles in front of folks doesn't seem to be a very bright way of measuring learning ability, or ability to meet with new situations.

Look, let's have some other measurements as well. Let's introduce Common-Sense evaluation tests, and so in future a person would have to show both evaluations.
I wonder how many bright sparks would hold measurements such as 138/22, or 95/122 ....?

I've never had mine tested.
Why?
If lower than I'd expect, I'd be disappointed that I'm so dumb.
If higher than I'd expect, I'd be disappointed at my lack of success.
If what I'd expect, then why did I just waste that money & time?
See.....I couldn't win.

I actually took some kind of formal IQ test 50+ years ago. My result was 138 but I've done so many stupid things in my life since then that I've lost any respect for such 'things'.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Intelligence : the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Sound's like it's pretty well defined

And science does not attempt to measure intelligence accurately. Psychology will sometimes use it as a guide.

Science has attempted to measure intelligence accurately, psychology is a science, and there is more to intelligence than your one cherry picked definition. I mean really, cite your source, use the OED and understand the limits and applications of a dictionary. Your thoughts are always so shallow and void of useful insight. It is simply not worth my effort.

 

[oldbadger]

I'm too stupid to have an opinion about intelligence.
*begins playing with navel lint*
*giggles*

You too?
My tummy-button lint is black because I wear black T-shirts a lot.
I wanted to tell you what my wife's lint colour is but I got thumped before I had really initiated any serious research.

 

[Revoltingest]

Take this short IQ test.....

Took me 2 seconds to solve it!

Spoiler: Hint

11 = 1

 

[ChristineM]

Science has attempted to measure intelligence accurately, psychology is a science, and there is more to intelligence than your one cherry picked definition. I mean really, cite your source, use the OED and understand the limits and applications of a dictionary. Your thoughts are always so shallow and void of useful insight. It is simply not worth my effort.

Please provide a link to this experiment trying to measure intelligence accurately

Cheery picked implies many more than the one shown, p
Please be good enough to show a few substantially different definition's

You may feel its ok to make bullsh1t up and pretend everyone else knows what you mean but most people go by the definition's

 

[oldbadger]

Science has attempted to measure intelligence accurately,

........... and so far has failed.

psychology is a science,

One of the most inexact sciences of all.....

and there is more to intelligence than your one cherry picked definition.

True.......
I like:-
Intelligence: the ability to meet with and recognise new situations not experienced before, and react effectively to them.

But I got smacked down over that one because it fits more closely with 'Common Sense'.
Common Sense and Intellegince seem to be quite different abilities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah... yes. But plonking obtuse puzzles in front of folks doesn't seem to be a very bright way of measuring learning ability, or ability to meet with new situations.

Look, let's have some other measurements as well. Let's introduce Common-Sense evaluation tests, and so in future a person would have to show both evaluations.
I wonder how many bright sparks would hold measurements such as 138/22, or 95/122 ....?

If you can come up with a better way to measure IQ,
the world will beat a path to your door.

I actually took some kind of formal IQ test 50+ years ago. My result was 138 but I've done so many stupid things in my life since then that I've lost any respect for such 'things'.

A high IQ doesn't guarantee good decision making.
But if you insist, I'll revoke yours.

 

[oldbadger]

Take this short IQ test.....

Took me 2 seconds to solve it!

It took me more like ten seconds, but I've been drinking guinness.

 

[ChristineM]

Take this short IQ test.....

Took me 2 seconds to solve it!

I see 3 possible answers but I'll go with the first one (cryptic)