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Are the Gods Too Indifferent to Us to Care Whether We Believe in Them?

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
Do you care if your children love you? We are their creations, or they are ours. Either way, what closer bond could there be?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I can tell I have met such a God because God has let me know and assured me of His Presence as He will let anyone know who truly seeks to know. It is a personal revelation of God to each individual, so the knowledge and understanding takes place in a unique and special way for each person. I will say that it never contradicts His revealed word in the scriptures, nor does it involve blind faith or checking one's mind at the door, since the Creator made humans in His image which includes using one's mind and reason.
Did He ever tell you why he does not want everyone to believe in Him?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Are there any rational grounds for supposing that an actual deity would care whether or not a person believed in it? If so, what are those grounds?

Are there any rational grounds for supposing that an actual deity would be unlikely to care whether or not a person believed in it? If so, what are those grounds?

As for myself, I believe that, if the gods exist, then the most reasonable thing to suppose about them, based on the available evidence, is that they are indifferent to us. For instance: Evil befalls good people; good befalls evil people, etc. But if it is reasonable to believe the gods are indifferent to us, then on what grounds can it be asserted that they care what we believe about them?
I have never heard of a man who was upset because someone didn't believe he existed. A man would present his existence if he wanted to be known to exist. And whoever didn't get the chance to meet him had no reason to dismiss his existence as untrue. Even if he didn't believe he ever existed, I don't see how that would bother him.

It's narcissistic to want people to worship you above all things, but it is foolish to want people to know that you exist when you don't give them reason to.
 

Professional

New Member
If God/s genuinely cares about me, why wouldn't he let me know that he/she/they actually exsist? Why wouldn't I be born with the innate knowledge that a god/s exsist?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Are there any rational grounds for supposing that an actual deity would care whether or not a person believed in it? If so, what are those grounds?

Are there any rational grounds for supposing that an actual deity would be unlikely to care whether or not a person believed in it? If so, what are those grounds?

As for myself, I believe that, if the gods exist, then the most reasonable thing to suppose about them, based on the available evidence, is that they are indifferent to us. For instance: Evil befalls good people; good befalls evil people, etc. But if it is reasonable to believe the gods are indifferent to us, then on what grounds can it be asserted that they care what we believe about them?
It would depend on a lot of different things: 1. Which concept of G-d we are speaking of: Monotheism, Pantheism, Panentheism, Polytheism. 2. What each person believes about the nature of G-d.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Did He ever tell you why he does not want everyone to believe in Him?
No and why would He ever tell me such a false thing since He desires everyone to know Him?

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
If God/s genuinely cares about me, why wouldn't he let me know that he/she/they actually exsist? Why wouldn't I be born with the innate knowledge that a god/s exsist?

I'd say you were born with an innate knowledge of God and He has on numerous occasions and in various ways let you know of His existence. Of course what you do with that and whether you pay attention or ignore it is entirely up to you.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:20-21

...who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-16
 

Professional

New Member
No; I was indoctrinated into the Chrustian faith. When I attempted to defend my faith, I researched and read, until I found that I genuinely didn't believe. Why didn't God instill in me the knowledge, repeat: knowledge, that he exsists?
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
If God/s genuinely cares about me, why wouldn't he let me know that he/she/they actually exsist? Why wouldn't I be born with the innate knowledge that a god/s exsist?
I have noticed, in my time, that most people who do think they can remember their early childhood experiences, remember that they resembled their current faith cosmology to some extent. Atheists remember nonpartisan childhoods, or "gods" that turned out to look like imaginary friends later on; Christians remember being in the bosom of a loving God, a feeling of unity and closeness that could not be mistaken for a fantasy; Pagans tell me they were building temples to imaginary pantheons from the first time they were allowed into a Lego set. And regardless, often, of whatever their parents might have wanted them to do. I'm not sure such very early memories are trustworthy, but if they are, I see no reason why they would only be trustworthy for some.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
No; I was indoctrinated into the Chrustian faith. When I attempted to defend my faith, I researched and read, until I found that I genuinely didn't believe. Why didn't God instill in me the knowledge, repeat: knowledge, that he exsists?
Depends on what you were indoctrinated into and chose not to believe. Anyone can be indoctrinated into religious ideas, Christian or otherwise, even false ideas and then at some point reject them. But I don't believe anyone can be indoctrinated or forced into a real relationship with the Living God who created heaven and earth. It may be that you have rejected and continue to disbelieve a false notion of God and have yet to be open to the true God who does love and care for you and desires to reveal Himself to you in a very special way which would have very personal meaning for you.
 

Professional

New Member
That's just it. You can't really force someone to believe something that they don't believe. It's not that I reject God, I just simply can't believe. I'm not sure what else to say.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
It may be that you have rejected and continue to disbelieve a false notion of God and have yet to be open to the true God who does love and care for you and desires to reveal Himself to you in a very special way which would have very personal meaning for you.

Yep, that's exactly my experience. :)

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