Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

[JoStories]

Im not discounting that. Just defining it differently, but the end results are identical.



I see positive thinking and holy thoughts as the divine inspiration. These people had no concept of what the conscious mind even was.

In social anthropology we find they literally thought every single thought they had was spiritually influenced by positive and negative forces.

Agreed outhouse and in fact, I would add several secular writers of that era and more recently in that grouping. For example, who can deny the allegorical beauty of plato's story of the cave in his Republic? Then we must also consider Blavatsky and her writings which she stated were given to her by 2 Tibetan monks. The list could be endless. This is another area where I don't understand religious people rejecting anything outside their Bible. What of th Vedas? The Upanishads? The teachings of Buddha? Why the one book and that alone?
Isn't it possible that God would have the ability to let many cultures know truth?

 

[JoStories]

Sorry, but Wikipedia isn't a trustworthy source for anything. Nor are your so called scholars. War is widely accepted, does that make it right? Greed and hatred are widely accepted, does that make them right? Muslims widely kill those of Christendom, does that make it right? The use of the term "good luck" is widely accepted. Does that make it not pagan? No. Widely accepted, the term, is meaningless.

Good luck is pagan? Since when? I am curious why all sources that have the slightest bit of a point to make that does not uphold your POV are unreliable and are what you refer to as 'so called'. Are you stating here that what Christendom did to innocent men, women and children during the inquisition was not what Muslims are doing now? It seems that not onlly do you not read people's posts for meaning and content, you have blinders on to any POV that does not fit your own. That is clear and undeniable bias.

 

[JoStories]

It is what is widely accepted, but it is not what is true. Since I am not seeing any intelligent conversation, and not seeing any competent references, I see no value in continuing this. It's off to the ignore list for you.

What is it with you people? The slightest inclination that you are being seriously challenged in your opinions and you ignore. Talk about being unable to stand up like an adult in a debate. Shame on the lot of you for having no b*lls.

 

[truthofscripture]

Good luck is pagan? Since when? I am curious why all sources that have the slightest bit of a point to make that does not uphold your POV are unreliable and are what you refer to as 'so called'. Are you stating here that what Christendom did to innocent men, women and children during the inquisition was not what Muslims are doing now? It seems that not onlly do you not read people's posts for meaning and content, you have blinders on to any POV that does not fit your own. That is clear and undeniable bias.

Yes, the god of luck is pagan, and invoking the god of luck is participating in pagandom. What Christendom did was horrible, but Christendom IS NOT CHRISTIAN. Christianity is not religion, has no church, no clergy, and no teachings or dogma other than the scriptures. Christendom does have those things and is called false in the scriptures. You're incorrect in your assessment. Blinders? No. I know right from wrong, but those you speak of whose posts you claim I don't read, do not know right from wrong. It is not bias, other than my preference is with God's named people, not with Christendom. Not with people who post nasty posts, as the one I am replying to right now.

 

[truthofscripture]

What is it with you people? The slightest inclination that you are being seriously challenged in your opinions and you ignore. Talk about being unable to stand up like an adult in a debate. Shame on the lot of you for having no b*lls.

You want someone to "debate" when the one you want us to debate with IS NOT DEBATING. They're denegrating and lying, but they're not debating. Grow up. I state no opinions here. Never. And who are "you people"? I am not part of Christendom, as they're all false religions as per the scriptures. I am Christian. They're NOT the same thing. Christendom is religions falsely claiming to be Christian, like Catholic, SDA, Protestant, Baptist, etc. Christianity, as Jesus taught, is not a religion with a church, clergy, or their own teachings and dogma. Christianity, on the other hand is the "one true faith" that Jesus brought to Earth, having been sent by his Father to do so. How can you tell a religion is false? If they have a church, clergy, their own teachings that differ from the scriptures, beg for money, involve in war and politics, believe in Jesus having died on a cross instead of a torture stake, believe in the pagan trinity, believe in hell fire or an immortal soul, then they're false and they're Christendom, NOT Christianity. Plus all other religions are false having no belief in Jesus, Jehovah God, the two resurrections, and fail to do God's will. So, what are you really talking about? Why are you making claims about me that you know nothing about? Why are you saying that the scriptures tell us to have balls? They're not mentioned in the inspired word of God.

 

[JoStories]

Yes, the god of luck is pagan, and invoking the god of luck is participating in pagandom. What Christendom did was horrible, but Christendom IS NOT CHRISTIAN. Christianity is not religion, has no church, no clergy, and no teachings or dogma other than the scriptures. Christendom does have those things and is called false in the scriptures. You're incorrect in your assessment. Blinders? No. I know right from wrong, but those you speak of whose posts you claim I don't read, do not know right from wrong. It is not bias, other than my preference is with God's named people, not with Christendom. Not with people who post nasty posts, as the one I am replying to right now.

Ok. Then please explain to me how,your own posts, which are just as nasty, and at times, more, are any better than those you write. You state my posts are 'nasty' and that is your right. However, I try rather hard to be polite and civil to people up to and until they are nasty themselves. As for pagan God/desses, do you know the names? I do and what I can tell you, from intense study of this area, is that they, and here I am only thinking of two; Bes and Fortuna, both were responsible for much more than luck. And it was not considered ' good luck' but rather a turn of fortune. Christianity is not Christendom? I can assure you that that would be news to th Christian community.

 

[JoStories]

You want someone to "debate" when the one you want us to debate with IS NOT DEBATING. They're denegrating and lying, but they're not debating.

How is calling posters here liars not denigrating them?






Grow up.

Rude and also denigrating ME.


I state no opinions here.



No opinions? I assume then you can provide scientific proof of God and all of the assertions you have made. I promise to wait for that information.

Never. And who are "you people"? I am not part of Christendom, as they're all false religions as per the scriptures. I am Christian. They're NOT the same thing. Christendom is religions falsely claiming to be Christian, like Catholic, SDA, Protestant, Baptist, etc. Christianity, as Jesus taught, is not a religion with a church, clergy, or their own teachings and dogma. Christianity, on the other hand is the "one true faith" that Jesus brought to Earth, having been sent by his Father to do so.

Again, you have proof of this? Irrefutable proof? Of Jesus being brought to earth and having been sent by God? I'll wait.



How can you tell a religion is false? If they have a church, clergy, their own teachings that differ from the scriptures, beg for money, involve in war and politics, believe in Jesus having died on a cross instead of a torture stake, believe in the pagan trinity, believe in hell fire or an immortal soul, then they're false and they're Christendom, NOT Christianity. Plus all other religions are false having no belief in Jesus, Jehovah God, the two resurrections, and fail to do God's will. So, what are you really talking about? Why are you making claims about me that you know nothing about? Why are you saying that the scriptures tell us to have balls? They're not mentioned in the inspired word of God.

I didn't say the scripture told you to have balls, I said that to run in the face of true debate when you are challenged is the same as having no courage, ie; balls.

 

[truthofscripture]

Ok. Then please explain to me how,your own posts, which are just as nasty, and at times, more, are any better than those you write. You state my posts are 'nasty' and that is your right. However, I try rather hard to be polite and civil to people up to and until they are nasty themselves. As for pagan God/desses, do you know the names? I do and what I can tell you, from intense study of this area, is that they, and here I am only thinking of two; Bes and Fortuna, both were responsible for much more than luck. And it was not considered ' good luck' but rather a turn of fortune. Christianity is not Christendom? I can assure you that that would be news to th Christian community.

You posted "your own posts...are any better than those you write"??? Makes no sense. And yes, Christendom is not Christian, and yes, that would be news to many in the Christendom community, not the CHRISTIAN community. Christian is not a religion, Christendom is any RELIGION claiming to be Christian, even though they CLAIM to be Christian. Many aren't aware of that fact because their "religions" are not truthful. Any religion with a church and clergy and their own dogma and teachings are in opposition to Christianity, that which Jesus taught, and in opposition to the scriptures in MANY respects. The scriptures do NOT teach that Jesus died on a cross, but on a stake. The scriptures do NOT teach that there is a trinity, that we have an immortal soul, and that hell is a place of torment. Religions falsely teach that anyone other than the 144,000 holy spirit annointed go to heaven. ONLY the 144,000 go to heaven after being "transformed" into spirit beings, as we have NO immortal soul. Christendom does not teach to use Jehovah God's personal name, Jehovah, even though it appears 7,000 times in the scriptures, and the scriptures tell us that we MUST use God's personal name. There are many other false teachings of the religions of Christendom. Christendom stems from the pagan emperor Constantine's half pagan/half Christian "state" religion known as the Roman Church. The false translations of the scriptures stem from Constantine's Bible, also half pagan/half Christian, such as King James, and almost ALL others. If one was truly interested in knowing and growing close to God, they will not be able to do so if they listen to the falsehoods of religions, and if they use false translations of the scriptures. After all, Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth", as the scriptures very clearly tell us. He wants NO ONE to draw close to God or to know what His inspired word actually, really says.

 

[JoStories]

You posted "your own posts...are any better than those you write"??? Makes no sense. And yes, Christendom is not Christian, and yes, that would be news to many in the Christendom community, not the CHRISTIAN community. Christian is not a religion, Christendom is any RELIGION claiming to be Christian, even though they CLAIM to be Christian. Many aren't aware of that fact because their "religions" are not truthful. Any religion with a church and clergy and their own dogma and teachings are in opposition to Christianity, that which Jesus taught, and in opposition to the scriptures in MANY respects. The scriptures do NOT teach that Jesus died on a cross, but on a stake. The scriptures do NOT teach that there is a trinity, that we have an immortal soul, and that hell is a place of torment. Religions falsely teach that anyone other than the 144,000 holy spirit annointed go to heaven. ONLY the 144,000 go to heaven after being "transformed" into spirit beings, as we have NO immortal soul. Christendom does not teach to use Jehovah God's personal name, Jehovah, even though it appears 7,000 times in the scriptures, and the scriptures tell us that we MUST use God's personal name. There are many other false teachings of the religions of Christendom. Christendom stems from the pagan emperor Constantine's half pagan/half Christian "state" religion known as the Roman Church. The false translations of the scriptures stem from Constantine's Bible, also half pagan/half Christian, such as King James, and almost ALL others. If one was truly interested in knowing and growing close to God, they will not be able to do so if they listen to the falsehoods of religions, and if they use false translations of the scriptures. After all, Satan is "misleading the entire inhabited Earth", as the scriptures very clearly tell us. He wants NO ONE to draw close to God or to know what His inspired word actually, really says.

Ok. So here, you say hell is not a place of torment and then later state that satan is misleading every single human on earth. What, then, is satan's true role? And btw, what translation of the bible fits your views? You make it clear here that it must be a very select few. So which one or ones? You seem to have a really negative view of pagans and their faith. May I ask why? If a person has a relationship with God, however that concept is viewed, how is that bad if it leads the person to live a morally good and productive life? Your view seems to state that there are almost no people who follow a religion that is centered around God. Isn't that a tad myopic and more than a little exclusive? Does your really limit God to this incredible degree? And how would you know that God is really this limited in scope?

 

[newone]

Agreed outhouse and in fact, I would add several secular writers of that era and more recently in that grouping. For example, who can deny the allegorical beauty of plato's story of the cave in his Republic? Then we must also consider Blavatsky and her writings which she stated were given to her by 2 Tibetan monks. The list could be endless. This is another area where I don't understand religious people rejecting anything outside their Bible. What of th Vedas? The Upanishads? The teachings of Buddha? Why the one book and that alone?
Isn't it possible that God would have the ability to let many cultures know truth?

Agreed outhouse and in fact, I would add several secular writers of that era and more recently in that grouping. For example, who can deny the allegorical beauty of plato's story of the cave in his Republic? Then we must also consider Blavatsky and her writings which she stated were given to her by 2 Tibetan monks. The list could be endless. This is another area where I don't understand religious people rejecting anything outside their Bible. What of th Vedas? The Upanishads? The teachings of Buddha? Why the one book and that alone?
Isn't it possible that God would have the ability to let many cultures know truth?

The bible has been translated to 1275 Languages, five billion printed. The information contained in it is priceless...

 

[truthofscripture]

Ok. So here, you say hell is not a place of torment and then later state that satan is misleading every single human on earth. What, then, is satan's true role? And btw, what translation of the bible fits your views? You make it clear here that it must be a very select few. So which one or ones? You seem to have a really negative view of pagans and their faith. May I ask why? If a person has a relationship with God, however that concept is viewed, how is that bad if it leads the person to live a morally good and productive life? Your view seems to state that there are almost no people who follow a religion that is centered around God. Isn't that a tad myopic and more than a little exclusive? Does your really limit God to this incredible degree? And how would you know that God is really this limited in scope?

Satan's role? This isn't a play where everyone has a script. Satan was one of God's angels who had the Earth as his responsibility, until he decided to rebel and try to get people to worship him instead of God, his Father. When Jesus took to his throne, he threw Satan and his followers out of heaven, to the Earth. He will be abyssed soon in the final battle.
Which Bibles? Young's is close, Orthodox Hebrew Bible is close, NWT is very close to the original intent of each scripture. Having compared them to original texts that exist, having compared actually 38 translations, those three are closest to correct.
I don't have a negative view of pagans, only what they do and what they believe in. What I feel toward them is sadness, knowing they will be destroyed. To have a relationship with God, one must do so on God's terms, not man's. Anything else isn't a relationship with God. Now it's not my "view", it's the truth. Statistically accurate even. There is no religion that is centered around God, there is the one true faith, and then there is religion. The one true faith was taught by Jesus, religions was invented by man. Nothing myopic about it, and nothing exclusive either. That one true faith is INCLUSIVE, but few choose it over false religion. What does "does your really limit God to this incredible degree?" mean? Does my WHAT? What do you mean by God being limited in scope? He has requirements for those who worship Him, and how that worship is carried out. Anything outside of those requirements is not approved of by Him. Have you never STUDIED, in detail and in comparison, the scriptures? If not, you should. What you will learn is massive.

 

[JoStories]

Satan's role? This isn't a play where everyone has a script. Satan was one of God's angels who had the Earth as his responsibility, until he decided to rebel and try to get people to worship him instead of God, his Father. When Jesus took to his throne, he threw Satan and his followers out of heaven, to the Earth. He will be abyssed soon in the final battle.
Which Bibles? Young's is close, Orthodox Hebrew Bible is close, NWT is very close to the original intent of each scripture. Having compared them to original texts that exist, having compared actually 38 translations, those three are closest to correct.
I don't have a negative view of pagans, only what they do and what they believe in. What I feel toward them is sadness, knowing they will be destroyed. To have a relationship with God, one must do so on God's terms, not man's. Anything else isn't a relationship with God. Now it's not my "view", it's the truth. Statistically accurate even. There is no religion that is centered around God, there is the one true faith, and then there is religion. The one true faith was taught by Jesus, religions was invented by man. Nothing myopic about it, and nothing exclusive either. That one true faith is INCLUSIVE, but few choose it over false religion. What does "does your really limit God to this incredible degree?" mean? Does my WHAT? What do you mean by God being limited in scope? He has requirements for those who worship Him, and how that worship is carried out. Anything outside of those requirements is not approved of by Him. Have you never STUDIED, in detail and in comparison, the scriptures? If not, you should. What you will learn is massive.

You speak these things as if factual, such as that satan was one of god's Angels. There is no proof,of the, it's supposition and conjecture.
The 'orthodox Hebrew bible is as big a misnomer as ever heard of. Jewish lore denies Christ as the messiah and therefore, any bible,that states that christ is the messiah is erroneous. I have yet to meet a Jewish person who holds to their Jewish fsith t believe that Jesus is the messiah.
So, if you feel sadness toward Pagans for their beliefs, you must also feel this for every human being on earth outside of yourself. There are few people who believe as you do. Wha exactly are 'god's terms', because do over 90% of the world, those views are vastly different than what you espouse. Iow, heaven, in your view, will be a very lonely place whereas hell wI'll be over crowded. Do you honestly think that all Jews, Muslims, pagans, Hindus, taoists, Buddhists and so on will go to hell? I mean this as politely as I can, but honestly, you views of God and what god imparts has to be one of the saddest I have yet to come across.

 

[JoStories]

The bible has been translated to 1275 Languages, five billion printed. The information contained in it is priceless...

Perhaps you should tell this to truth of scripture because according to him/her, most of you are damned. I agree that a goodly deal of what is in the bible is priceless but I also believe that what is written in Plato, Socrates, the Vedas, and so on are just as priceless. And so, too, do the millions that follow those faiths.

 

[truthofscripture]

You speak these things as if factual, such as that satan was one of god's Angels. There is no proof,of the, it's supposition and conjecture.
The 'orthodox Hebrew bible is as big a misnomer as ever heard of. Jewish lore denies Christ as the messiah and therefore, any bible,that states that christ is the messiah is erroneous. I have yet to meet a Jewish person who holds to their Jewish fsith t believe that Jesus is the messiah.
So, if you feel sadness toward Pagans for their beliefs, you must also feel this for every human being on earth outside of yourself. There are few people who believe as you do. Wha exactly are 'god's terms', because do over 90% of the world, those views are vastly different than what you espouse. Iow, heaven, in your view, will be a very lonely place whereas hell wI'll be over crowded. Do you honestly think that all Jews, Muslims, pagans, Hindus, taoists, Buddhists and so on will go to hell? I mean this as politely as I can, but honestly, you views of God and what god imparts has to be one of the saddest I have yet to come across.

Everything I've posted is fact. Refute all you want, but that doesn't change facts. If the truth of what the scriptures say makes you sad, there isn't anything I can or will do about that. You'll have to cheer yourself up. And they're not "my views". They are scriptural fact.

 

[newone]

Perhaps you should tell this to truth of scripture because according to him/her, most of you are damned. I agree that a goodly deal of what is in the bible is priceless but I also believe that what is written in Plato, Socrates, the Vedas, and so on are just as priceless. And so, too, do the millions that follow those faiths.

I dont disagree with you about that. You can find "priceless" information from many places or people. For me the bible stands above anything else (my personal opinion), i have looked into eg. the Quran etc. and i just wasn't drawn to it at all. No doubt in my mind that the bible is the only true word of God. Each to their own...

 

[newone]

Only God can judge who is "damned" or not. However we have a responsibility to choose our way.... the bible tells us what is right and wrong, but not who is "damned". God sees what we dont.
A "wise" person once told me... if we are blessed and make it to the new world we would surely look for the ones we expected there...but they will not be there...the ones we thought would never make it we will most likely see. Only God knows what we are really like, we can hide things from fellow believers but we cannot fool God...He will judge fairly.

 

[newone]

A huge requirement for me. Let's say just for argument sake that God says in his Word clearly. You must not drive a white car. Now i join a religion/church and people drive white cars. I ask the church leaders, why do you allow people to drive white cars. He says well we the leaders decided it was ok. Then i wil take my red car and go somewhere where people follow God's instructions. Same goes for all God's rules... God's "rules" are not negotiable.

 

[JoStories]

I dont disagree with you about that. You can find "priceless" information from many places or people. For me the bible stands above anything else (my personal opinion), i have looked into eg. the Quran etc. and i just wasn't drawn to it at all. No doubt in my mind that the bible is the only true word of God. Each to their own...

I dont disagree with you about that. You can find "priceless" information from many places or people. For me the bible stands above anything else (my personal opinion), i have looked into eg. the Quran etc. and i just wasn't drawn to it at all. No doubt in my mind that the bible is the only true word of God. Each to their own...

What a nice response. I completely agree with you, and btw, no clue why it quoted you twice! I have found priceless information in so many places. I particularly like The Cloud of Unknowing. And the writings of Thomas Merton. Although he is alleged to have embraced Buddhism later in his life, I see what he wrote as closer to the truth of God than most I have read. I respect and admire that you looked into other sources of truth and found the one best suited to you. Glad you did, really because that is exactly how I found my views of God and all the God entails. May you have peace on your journey.

 

[JoStories]

Everything I've posted is fact. Refute all you want, but that doesn't change facts. If the truth of what the scriptures say makes you sad, there isn't anything I can or will do about that. You'll have to cheer yourself up. And they're not "my views". They are scriptural fact.

Fact. That which can be defined scientifically and something that all people concur with. Something that has verifiably and is actually the case. Your beliefs do not fall within this incredibly broad defintion of what is fact. I am not sad at all. In fact, I am content with my understanding of God and all that that entails. I wish you luck on your journey but I suspect that In the end, you will be very alone.

 

[Vishvavajra]

Satan was one of God's angels who had the Earth as his responsibility, until he decided to rebel and try to get people to worship him instead of God, his Father. When Jesus took to his throne, he threw Satan and his followers out of heaven, to the Earth.

Funny how many people will swear that narrative is somewhere in the Bible. It's not. It's based on oral tradition that is specific to Christianity, as their view of the devil evolved over the course of late antiquity and the middle ages. Milton's Paradise Lost is based on that tradition.

The idea of Satan as a rebel angel is foreign to the Judaic tradition, wherein references to Satan in books such as Job have always been understood in terms of a subordinate member of Yahweh's court, whose job it is to test people. The war-in-heaven, fallen-angel narrative comes out of some cryptic statements in the apocalyptic literature that people took and ran with, creating a complex mythology around them that suited their circumstances at the time. But if you'd asked a 1st- or 2nd-century Jew about it, Christian or otherwise, they would have had no idea what you were talking about.