Are there jobs men do better than women (on average)?

[Kooky]

What are you on about?

Adrenochrome, probably.

 

[Kooky]

I want to make a support group to get more heterosexual men into hair styling and beauty salon industry. I mean they seem underrepresented there due to some kind of gay and female conspiracy.

Is that an American thing, or a stereotype of sorts? There are tons of hair salons and barber shops with male staff in my area, and I've had several male hairdressers attend my language classes.

 

[Spiderman]

I don't even like the question posed by the OP. I suppose that, "on average," it would be possible to find examples. But then I can't help but remember that nobody is really identical to that "average" person -- that with so many exceptions, making the distinction doesn't really seem to have any value.

Let people, whatever their gender (or however you wish to classify them) do what they can on their own personal merits -- not on any comparison with some group in which we arbitrarily slot them.

Which is why I said give the job to the person most qualified.

There have been firewomen who don't have to lift as heavy items as men to pass tests , so that enough female fire fighters can be hired for affirmative action purposes.

This has caused complaints from people who said the firewomen couldn't pick them up and carry them out of the building, so they frantically had to drag them down a flight of stairs by their ankles (was one of multiple examples of complaints against firewomen), very unpleasant.

According to the documentary I saw in a college psychiatry course.

The issue was, that fire department wanted affirmative action and more female firefighters.

So they lowered the amount of weight a female has to lift to be a firewoman. The man has to lift more weight for the same job, to accommodate more females.

So, complaints were made, that the female firefighters were not able to pick up and carry people in wheelchairs or elderly out of burning buildings correctly.

It was causing major problems. Do you understand?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Which is why I said give the job to the person most qualified.

There have been firewomen who don't have to lift as heavy items as men to pass tests , so that enough female fire fighters can be hired for affirmative action purposes.

This has caused complaints from people who said the firewomen couldn't pick them up and carry them out of the building, so they frantically had to drag them down a flight of stairs by their ankles (was one of multiple examples of complaints against firewomen), very unpleasant.

According to the documentary I saw in a college psychiatry course.

The issue was, that fire department wanted affirmative action and more female firefighters.

So they lowered the amount of weight a female has to lift to be a firewoman. The man has to lift more weight for the same job, to accommodate more females.

So, complaints were made, that the female firefighters were not able to pick up and carry people in wheelchairs or elderly out of burning buildings correctly.

It was causing major problems. Do you understand?

I'm aware of all that. I am no particular fan of affirmative action. Watch the summer Olympics someday -- there are women who can heft a heck of a lot more than most men, though there aren't many of them.

I would not want the job that I got only because I was filling up some quota or other. I was the gay IT-VP who got the job not because I was gay, but because I earned it.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm aware of all that. I am no particular fan of affirmative action. Watch the summer Olympics someday -- there are women who can heft a heck of a lot more than most men, though there aren't many of them.

I would not want the job that I got only because I was filling up some quota or other. I was the gay IT-VP who got the job not because I was gay, but because I earned it.

Okay thank you!

I can obviously appreciate and respect that. Take care!

 

[74x12]

Is that an American thing, or a stereotype of sorts? There are tons of hair salons and barber shops with male staff in my area, and I've had several male hairdressers attend my language classes.

Probably which is why I specified N America.

 

[74x12]

That must be specific to the feminists you are acquainted with, because where I live, the government has for many years been actively trying to get girls to sign up for male-dominated trades like plumber, mechanic, electrician etc.

And seeing how my cousin is a painter (the kind who works at construction sites, not the artistic kind) who runs her own company, CEO and plumber are definitely not mutually exclusive careers, either.

Exactly, they're trying to get women to do something that most of them are not naturally inclined to do.

Same thing when they are trying to make androgynous society in every way but it's not working. Boys are boys and girls are girls for the most part. I know there are exceptions. Some women will be happy to do that kind of work. They don't need the government to cajole them into signing up. They would sign up anyway.

I think a lot of this social engineering is harmful and lunacy.

 

[Kooky]

I think a lot of this social engineering is harmful and lunacy.

Who is being harmed if more girls take up plumbing?

 

[74x12]

Who is being harmed if more girls take up plumbing?

That's not the point.

 

[Kooky]

That's not the point.

You described efforts to bring more women into trades as "harmful and lunacy". I am of the firm conviction that words mean things, and so, I would like to know what you think is harmful about such efforts, and who is being harmed by them, because that sounds like a rather serious issue.

 

[Kooky]

So, no I don't think it's harmful to have female plumbers or carpenters etc. I could care less. In fact I think it's great.

So these efforts are not harmful after all. Glad we cleared that up!

 

[74x12]

So these efforts are not harmful after all. Glad we cleared that up!

So you don't mind wasting time and tax payer money? Luckily some of us who are more fiscally responsible still have some say in things.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So you don't mind wasting time and tax payer money? Luckily some of us who are more fiscally responsible still have some say in things.

Why would that be a waste? Don't you think it's important for kids to explore career options?

We have a shortage of people in skilled trades. Even if most of the kids getting the message of "check out the trades!" don't end up being tradespeople, if it moves the needle, that will help industry.

Most boys won't become electricians; most girls won't become electricians. This doesn't make it a waste to reach out and find the kids for whom that's their calling.

 

[idea]

I would guess that men are better for men's health, and women better at taking care of other women for women's health issues - just seems like it would be better for someone who is more acquainted with everything.

 

[Revoltingest]

Iron worker.
Strength is useful.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Gender truly as a general rule makes a big difference in what jobs a person is pursuing , with certain jobs , no?

I love female officers and military personnel with a passion.

I'm not a big strong person physically, and even in juvenile detention , have experienced situations where multiple trained female officers at once can't get me to fall to the ground, and seen this multiple times with others.

(As an adult I have not found myself being restrained by females, because it doesn't seem noble or chivalrous.)

Repeatedly I find myself however in rehab centers, IRTS facilities, where it is 12-25+ men, some of them with serious rage problems, psychosis, big fellas who grew up in the ghetto, are not staying sober at the facility, and when their adrenaline gets going, testosterone is raging, or under the influence, it takes an extremely rare female who can do anything, and the whole facility is staffed by two or three women so often, who actually haven't the training of a juvenile peace officer, with how to restrain people.

I'm all for giving any job to the person who does it best, and there are many women who can outdo men, at jobs that take greater physical strength than others.

But it is a huge exception to a general rule, and when you have two larger than average males, having a fit of adrenaline and rage, it's a very rare female who will be able to physically restrain them.

I have actually never seen it once in my life , unless she uses tazor or mace , and seen many situations where the female working simply stays out of it until male staff/police/ peace officers/ firemen/ ambulance arrive, or she intervenes without accomplishing her objectives. Or another male inmate or residents step in to help.

That said, it is amazing how 20+ deeply wounded and mentally ill drug addicts with violent past and sociopathic tendencies , can usually not have any incidents, and two or three females can handle them all. So, due props! I'm impressed! .

But would you agree that in a situation where men with adrenaline rushes, under the influence, or rage involved , and violence is taking place, is a situation the average man is going to be able to handle better than the average woman?

Not sure how you could argue otherwise.

One strength women do have for such jobs though, is the potential to soothe, and calm, cheer up, make happy, pacify, or bring peace to an angry man , full of rage. A female, the right one, as a general rule, can do this better (or at least differently) than a male. I've actually experienced that the right females are far more capable at having that effect than guys are first hand many times. And that is a strength that shouldn't be underestimated! So, due props!

Yes the average woman is not going to have the upper body strength to do certain jobs. Of course some men won't either. I worked a job where we had to tip up and move barrels that weighed up to 500 lbs. We never had a woman work there. We had a few apply but if you couldn't budge the barrel you didn't get hired.
I know there's exceptions but it's also one of the reasons I'm not thrilled about women in the Marines on the ground. They simply can't compete with men in hand to hand combat. It's not politically correct to mention, but most women aren't built like Gina Carano. Now I think Gena is kinda hot myself, but that's another topic.

 

[Spiderman]

Iron worker.
Strength is useful.

"Strength is useful"