Are there questions God doesn't want you to ask?

[Hockeycowboy]

God is the perfect Teacher, so it might be a lesson He is teaching us here, to "check things out, and not believe what others say blindly".

No, that is not what it says in the verse you gave. He does not claim here "I don't know", He just says:
"I will go down to see if their actions fully justify the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will find out"
But this does not imply, that He MUST go down, otherwise He won't know. That is just your interpretation.

I met a Master who loved to pretend to be ignorant. Only once I read in His books that He warned us that if God comes down to earth, He might act like normal people act, but don't let this fool you, thinking He does not know everything. This might apply here. The words are chosen very smart.

I appreciate your reply.
Keep in mind, though, I used more than one Scripture.
(And there are others I didn’t use.)
All must be taken into consideration, to reach an accurate conclusion.

Have a good day, my cousin!

 

[McBell]

A question.

Suppose I put a glass of poison in front of you (which I created/made/bottled), and tell you it's poison that will toxify your blood ("poison leukemia" to give it just a name) and it will eventually kill humans who drink it. You drink it anyway. Do you now claim that, because I made the poison therefore "poison leukemia" is the thing that I created? I would say it's your personal "sin" that caused the disease, claiming otherwise is contrary to science, don't you think?

Please present a list of people who CHOSE to have cancer.

Otherwise, you analogy fails.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Which Christianity? Mormons and Pentacostolists and Roman Catholics and Universalists are so different they may as well be different religions.

I think maybe they tend to disagree on the open - ended content anyway. For example, some might reject the trinity or accept it. But it's a mystical concept anyway

 

[stvdv]

Leukemia is not a choice nor is it caused by sin.

To this I agree

 

[stvdv]

A responsible parent who actually loves his children, wouldn't place a bottle of poison within its reach.

That's one.

The second is that leukemia is obviously not a choice. So your analogy, how utterly invalid and inhuman as it might be, isn't even accurate.

In my example, it was not placed in front of a child
That's one.

Life is full of choices. And choices have consequences. It's called karma (action and reaction)
So, you might not like the concept, but the concept does not care whether you like it or not
And karma is very accurate, might not always catch up in this lifetime, that makes it tricky

But I am sure of one thing. If we make "bad" choices then one day we face bad results
How it works out exactly, this I don't know. But it seems like a fair thing to me

The good thing is, that we can use Self Effort and get out of this karma trouble

 

[stvdv]

I appreciate your reply.
Keep in mind, though, I used more than one Scripture.
(And there are others I didn’t use.)
All must be taken into consideration, to reach an accurate conclusion.

Have a good day, my cousin!

I only said that this particular verse did not say what you said it did
BUT
When I wrote my reply, I did get the thought indeed, that there might be other verses that would say it

And it is a tricky thing. We need to have a kind of "picture" of God, to be able to say if God is omniscient (knows everything at all times). But then we are advised not to have a picture (not make a golden calf) of God. And I think any "picture" we have of God is not accurate. So, I just don't know what God knows or does not know. Probably sufficient if God knows, and totally irrelevant for me to know (but I am a curious guy too, I have to admit).

I wish you a good day too.

 

[stvdv]

Please present a list of people who CHOSE to have cancer.

Otherwise, you analogy fails.

Whatever we do in this life has karmic consequences
Many people like to be an ostrich, and pretend "I don't want to know"

To give you a list of all the people who smoke and got lung cancer would be too long to print out on RF, don't you think?

 

[McBell]

Whatever we do in this life has karmic consequences
Many people like to be an ostrich, and pretend "I don't want to know"

And?
This does nothing to show people who CHOSE cancer...

To give you a list of all the people who smoke and got lung cancer would be too long to print out on RF, don't you think?

I rather suspect that the list of people who chose to smoke so they could get cancer is extremely short.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Do you believe in "justice should happen" when someone is a serial rapist?
And if justice should happen, but does not happen in this life ... how about your "should"?
Would reincarnation be a bad idea in your view?

I don't get 'should'. What I want has no impact on whether reincarnation exists. If I had impact on the world in that sense, I'd simply which serial rape didn't happen.

 

[stvdv]

Please present a list of people who CHOSE to have cancer.

Otherwise, you analogy fails.

Whatever we do in this life has karmic consequences
Many people like to be an ostrich, and pretend "I don't want to know"

To give you a list of all the people who smoke and got lung cancer would be too long to print out on RF, don't you think?

And?
This does nothing to show people who CHOSE cancer...

I rather suspect that the list of people who chose to smoke so they could get cancer is extremely short.

1+1=2

But if you like to ignore, I am fine

IF someone places a glass of poison (or pack of cigarettes) in front of you, and you choose it, and get into trouble. It seems quite obvious to me, you choose it.

Lesson number 1 in my Spiritual Scripture "Self Effort should never be underestimated". You seem to underestimate it, or don't like to admit that I gave a valid example, hence my analogy did not fail.

 

[stvdv]

I don't get 'should'. What I want has no impact on whether reincarnation exists. If I had impact on the world in that sense, I'd simply which serial rape didn't happen.

Unfortunately we can't choose, I would prefer only peace in my world. All these animals killing each other would not be my choice.

 

[McBell]

1+1=2

But if you like to ignore, I am fine

IF someone places a glass of poison (or pack of cigarettes) in front of you, and you choose it, and get into trouble. It seems quite obvious to me, you choose it.

Lesson number 1 in my Spiritual Scripture "Self Effort should never be underestimated". You seem to underestimate it, or don't like to admit that I gave a valid example, hence my analogy did not fail.

The sole reason for moving the goal post from leukemia to lung cancer is a sad attempt at saving your failed analogy.

 

[stvdv]

The sole reason for moving the goal post from leukemia to lung cancer is a sad attempt at saving your failed analogy.

You asked for an example about cancer (see your reply below), not about leukemia, I gave an answer. You are the one changing goal posts

Please present a list of people who CHOSE to have cancer.

And it seems my answer is correct, as you have no good reply. Seems you are the one with a sad attempt.

I am just interested in the truth. You are just trying to play word games. I have no interest in that. That is just ego game.

 

[McBell]

You asked for an example about cancer (see your reply below), not about leukemia, I gave an answer. You are the one changing goal posts

Ah...
I see what happened.
I used the word cancer instead of leukemia.

That is my bad.

And it seems my answer is correct, as you have no good reply. Seems you are the one with a sad attempt.

It seems you are correct.
I did ask about cancer instead of leukemia.
Though it is most interesting how you jumped onto lung cancer when leukemia was the specific topic (in your own post that I replied to asking my question).

I am just interested in the truth.

You keep telling yourself that.

You are just trying to play word games. I have no interest in that. That is just ego game.

Yes, your jumping from leukemia to lung cancer is ME playing word games.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In my example, it was not placed in front of a child
That's one.

Yes, it was. "We are all god's children", is what they say.
And you said: "Suppose I put a glass of poison in front of you". Why would you do that?

Life is full of choices. And choices have consequences. It's called karma (action and reaction)

So what "choices" of a 2-year old leads to leukemia?

So, you might not like the concept, but the concep does not care whether you like it or not

The concept you provide, is obvious nonsense

And karma is very accurate, might not always catch up in this lifetime, that makes it tricky

So what could a 2-year old possibly do that makes it justified for it to get leukemia?

But I am sure of one thing. If we make "bad" choices then one day we face bad results

Within context of the consequences of that choice, yes.
And not "one day", but rather as an immediate and direct result of the bad decision.

For example, if I make the bad choice of doing some stupid stunt or take some heroin, I might suffer consequences of breaking a leag or getting an overdose.

But please, do tell, what is the causal chain here... what choices of a 2-year old leads to that kid getting leukemia?

How it works out exactly, this I don't know

Maybe you shouldn't make such inhumane statements about 2-year olds getting leukemia until you find out?
Maybe, just maybe, if you DON'T KNOW, you shouldn't pretend that you do?

You are asserting a causal chain here, but "you don't know" how it works?
So on what basis are you then asserting that causal chain?????

But it seems like a fair thing to me

Ow? So please, do tell... what is fair about a 2-year old getting leukemia?
Give an example of an action or decision by a 2-year old that makes it "fair" for that kid to get leukemia?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To give you a list of all the people who smoke and got lung cancer would be too long to print out on RF, don't you think?

Try a list of 2-year olds who "chose" to get leukemia and explain how they supposedly did that.

Won't be holding my breath.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You asked for an example about cancer (see your reply below), not about leukemia, I gave an answer. You are the one changing goal posts

Dinosaur diagnosed with malignant cancer that still afflicts humans today - CNN

Please explain the "choices" of this dino that resulted in it having a bone cancer.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To give you a list of all the people who smoke and got lung cancer would be too long to print out on RF, don't you think?

What about non-smokers who get lung cancer?
There are many of those as well, you know....

And then there's also bone cancer, leukemia, lymfoma, testicular cancer, etc etc etc etc

You conveniently pick out the one cancer of which we know that it can be caused by a specific action like smoking.

Note the word "can". Plenty of smokers never get cancer. In fact, most don't. Smokers are at higher risk of getting lung cancer. Then there are many non-smokers who also get lung cancer.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I read #20 and reread it.... and I can't seem to understand how you synthesized what I said to "humans were the source of cancers".

This is what #20 says:

"If but by logic, if God created a creative human being... then obviously what the human being created wasn't created by God.

If Satan if the Father of Lies then, in essence, it was Satan who created it as the father of it. Since God cannot lie and there is no lie in Him, then He didn't create it."

Just don't see sickness in what I said but rather, in answer to a persons statement and to say it differently, if I create a piece of art, then God didn't create it.

"If but by logic, if God created a creative human being... then obviously what the human being created wasn't created by God.

If Satan if the Father of Lies then, in essence, it was Satan who created it as the father of it. Since God cannot lie and there is no lie in Him, then He didn't create it."


And you said that in reply to someone who said that if god created all things, then god must have also created leukemia. And you replied the above. If you weren't talking about the leukemia, then it is seems it was your post that was "disjointed"


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As far as sickness, in my understanding as a Christian, ultimately the author of it is Satan and not created by God:

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jesus gives life and the thief (as manifested by Leukemia) steals, kills and destroys.

So this satan is more powerfull then god?
If you were god, would you allow this satan to create germs, parasites and other nasty stuff?

You know... if I had the power to stop someone who was running around giving 2-year olds leukemia... I'ld stop him. I guess that's the difference between me and your god.

1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Since leukemia, among MANY other nasty deseases, is still killing children (and adults) on a daily basis... it seems this "Son Of God" failed miserably in his mission.

The devil perverts God's order and manifests the perversion in things like Leukemia.

And apparantly your god is powerless to stop him?

Sorry if I created any confusion and hope this clarifies.

Not really.

 

[Kenny]

"If but by logic, if God created a creative human being... then obviously what the human being created wasn't created by God.

If Satan if the Father of Lies then, in essence, it was Satan who created it as the father of it. Since God cannot lie and there is no lie in Him, then He didn't create it."


And you said that in reply to someone who said that if god created all things, then god must have also created leukemia. And you replied the above. If you weren't talking about the leukemia, then it is seems it was your post that was "disjointed"

As I said, who you got from one place to the other, I have no idea. You are taking things out of context as I reply to other people.

I wasn't talking about leukemia...

So this satan is more powerfull then god?
If you were god, would you allow this satan to create germs, parasites and other nasty stuff?

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No - the world, at this time is under man's control. Until man stops giving the control to Satan, that you get what Satan has.

If you let a bad dictator take over a country, you get what the bad dictator dishes out.

Since leukemia, among MANY other nasty deseases, is still killing children (and adults) on a daily basis... it seems this "Son Of God" failed miserably in his mission.

No. Man has failed miserably in his mission as mentioned above. Are you still giving authority to Satan?

And apparantly your god is powerless to stop him?

No. Are YOU powerless to stop Satan?