Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[Robert.Evans]

Then, why should not men start taking adopting birth control remeasure instead of the women, if later on they cannot support the mother and the child? Why should such men have sex with women?
It is neither equality not equitable, sheer cruelty. Right?
Regards

That is a good point

 

[leibowde84]

Your quote is from where?

"Abuse" is "maltreatment" of something or someone. You may abuse a table with a bread knife. And if one is abused, they might well in turn abuse their abuser. You are trying to use that word to make it too specific. I see that all the time. It takes us back to words like "sxism" and "racism" which is used to manipulate people.....a form of abuse. All things are race, remember

If one person abuses another, it is one-sides. If that person ends up later abusing the person in return, it is still one-sided, just reversed. If both parties are just screaming at each other simultaneously (for example), it isn't abuse. It is merely a heated argument. Abuse requires an aggressor and a victim.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Your definition agrees with my point. There is no way to equate abuse with an argument. And, your definition points to the majority of abuse being one-sided.

If someone is having constant arguments, that is abusive. How can it not be? You are narrowing the defintion to make a point, which in itself, is abusive, as you are trying to control others (me) to think like you. I am not attacking you in saying that.

 

[leibowde84]

An argument is a point of view that you are trying to get someone else to accept, therefore a form of control

This is nonsensical. Convincing someone of something is not using power or control and cannot be seen as "abuse".

 

[leibowde84]

If someone is having constant arguments, that is abusive. How can it not be? You are narrowing the defintion to make a point, which in itself, is abusive, as you are trying to control others (me) to think like you. I am not attacking you in saying that.

If two people are constantly arguing, that is not abuse, it is constant arguing and a destructive relationship (still not abuse). If one person is constantly starting arguments over nothing, then that can qualify as abuse, as it is one-sided.

An "argument" does not fit into the definition of "abuse" that you provided.

 

[Draka]

And that was just one form of abuse. So? You are saying there are no others, or it must be one sided because that is what you have experienced?

No. You still don't get it. The whole definition of abuse is a wielding of control over another. An argument is not abuse. Otherwise, according to you, a debate is abuse. That is ridiculous.

 

[leibowde84]

If someone is having constant arguments, that is abusive.

This is incorrect, as it is not what the word "abuse" means. Constant two-sided arguments means a bad relationship and a destructive situation, but it does not qualify as abuse.

 

[Draka]

If arguments are "abuse" then Debate Clubs in high schools and colleges are "abuse" clubs.

 

[Robert.Evans]

@paarsurrey
You seemed to be blaming me for women bringing children up by themselves (which at times will be the case) and I was answering that by saying they are on their own a lot now because of feminism. Feminist set out to destroy the family. The evidence is clear. Only people with modern day agenda will not accept this.

 

[Draka]

@paarsurrey
You seemed to be blaming me for women bringing children up by themselves (which at times will be the case) and I was answering that by saying they are on their own a lot now because of feminism. Feminist set out to destroy the family. The evidence is clear. Only people with modern day agenda will not accept this.

You get more and more ridiculous with every post. You know that? The goal of feminism is to have equality of the sexes. Not to "destroy the family". That is just beyond absurd.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If one person abuses another, it is one-sides. If that person ends up later abusing the person in return, it is still one-sided, just reversed.

Haha..... that is so funny.
It is alright, your honour, it was just reversed abuse, so it don't matter.

If both parties are just screaming at each other simultaneously (for example), it isn't abuse.

Yes it is.

It is merely a heated argument. Abuse requires an aggressor and a victim.

And that is what you would have, on both sides. Both would be abusing the other.

 

[paarsurrey]

@paarsurrey
You seemed to be blaming me for women bringing children up by themselves (which at times will be the case) and I was answering that by saying they are on their own a lot now because of feminism. Feminist set out to destroy the family. The evidence is clear. Only people with modern day agenda will not accept this.

Sorry, I never blamed you.
Regards

 

[Draka]

Haha..... that is so funny.
It is alright, your honour, it was just reversed abuse, so it don't matter.

Yes it is.

And that is what you would have, on both sides. Both would be abusing the other.

Twisting definitions to fit your point of view seems to be what you do best. First we dealt with "fact", now we have to deal with you redefining "abuse".

 

[Robert.Evans]

If two people are constantly arguing, that is not abuse, it is constant arguing and a destructive relationship (still not abuse). If one person is constantly starting arguments over nothing, then that can qualify as abuse, as it is one-sided.

An "argument" does not fit into the definition of "abuse" that you provided.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abuse

 

[Robert.Evans]

No. You still don't get it. The whole definition of abuse is a wielding of control over another. An argument is not abuse. Otherwise, according to you, a debate is abuse. That is ridiculous.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abuse

 

[Robert.Evans]

This is incorrect, as it is not what the word "abuse" means. Constant two-sided arguments means a bad relationship and a destructive situation, but it does not qualify as abuse.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abuse

 

[Robert.Evans]

If arguments are "abuse" then Debate Clubs in high schools and colleges are "abuse" clubs.

It would depend on the level of the argument and whether it was a repetitive occurrence.

 

[leibowde84]

Haha..... that is so funny.
It is alright, your honour, it was just reversed abuse, so it don't matter.

Yes it is.

And that is what you would have, on both sides. Both would be abusing the other.

1. LOL. What are you talking about? I never said that both examples of abuse didn't matter. Of course, they both matter. They are both abuse, and they are both one-sided examples of abuse occurring at different times. Not too tough of a concept to get.
2. Yes, both examples are abuse. Both examples are separate, one-sides examples of one spouse abusing the other. The latter is in reaction to the former, but that doesn't mean that they both aren't one sided when taking place. It is extremely rare when this happens, though. In the vast majority of cases of abuse, one person is the aggressor, repeatedly, and the other passively takes it, often and erroneously thinking it's their own fault.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You get more and more ridiculous with every post. You know that? The goal of feminism is to have equality of the sexes. Not to "destroy the family". That is just beyond absurd.

That is what feminist set out to do. I understand they don't say that now. Look into the history of it. It has nothing to do with equality. It was about power and money and female insecurites.

 

[leibowde84]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abuse

Proves my point. In the definition here, there is an aggressor and a victim. Why would you cite something that contradicts your point?