Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[Draka]

Feminism split the family. That is ungodly, hence the problems. and i explained why the "primordial past"

Feminism doesn't make a man cheat on his wife. Feminism doesn't make a man beat his wife. Feminism doesn't make a man run out just because he up and decided he didn't want kids anymore. Feminism is what gave women the ability to be able to make do on their own. For women to be treated fairly in the law and in the workplace. Feminism doesn't make men do anything.

 

[Draka]

It was just an example.

A very poor one that defeated it's own purpose.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Woman stops at home, most of that is not needed.

I suppose all of my female teachers and professors should have stopped at home, then. Never mind the fact that they became successful in their fields of study and careers. Never mind their demonstrably good ability to benefit others by passing along their knowledge. We should just revert back to the Dark Age and confine women to their homes.

 

[columbus]

You mean in other words he is polygamous in nature, want to taste different women, of course not at one time.
Regards

Yes.
Like men, whether because of evolution or God, tend to be polygamous. Almost all men, if they are not taught the value of monogamy, will be "impulsive" when it comes to sex.
He is a good case study in the various ways USA culture has messed up the family and child rearing. There is a lot more to his story than I have had time to tell about.
Tom

 

[paarsurrey]

What kind of rape? Are you serious here? Rape is rape. As a survivor of that, and since my daughter was also raped, at the ripe old age of 8, I cannot fathom a person saying such a reprehensible remark. This is quite possibly, the most disgusting remark I have ever read on this forum.

Very unfortunate for the little girl. What happened to the man who did it?
She had to suffer a lot of agony.Did she had to abort?
How the government deal in such cases.
Regards

 

[leibowde84]

Okay, hot potato for you--
Depends on what kind of rape it is.

What are the kinds of rape? And, why would the difference be relevant here?

don't forget homosxuality.

what does sexual orientation have to do with this?

 

[JoStories]

Very unfortunate for the little girl. What happened to the man who did it?
She had to suffer a lot of agony.Did she had to abort?
How the government deal in such cases.
Regards

My daughter was 8 at the time and too young, thankfully, to be impregnated, however, had she been, I would have had her have an abortion. The 'man' and I use the word loosely, was imprisoned for 2 years, got out and did it again to another child. The government does not involve itself, other than to prosecute the persons that did the wrong. Unfortunately, in this country, the law favors the criminal in many cases.

 

[Draka]

You see, the very fact that your idea is that a woman has to be as good as a man in a man's role says much.
Threatened? Perhaps so. You will become more masculine, therefore more violent, more aggressive, more likely to fight, and more likely to take jobs of men; which in turn will create strife with less jobs, women more tired when they come home, more arguments and fights, and more break up of the family. So threatened? Perhaps so. But don't try to shame my "male pride" if that is what you are thinking, cause it aint gonna happen.

You don't seem to value your own worth until you are doing what men do. And the fact that you found a lot who did not like you being there might have given you reason to pause, if you cared about men that is.

If a job needs to be filled and a woman is just as capable, if not more so, than a man applying for the job then how did she take it from him? He didn't have it. She earned it. And there are no less jobs, it is still the same amount and someone is earning that money. Why not her? Why do you fear strong, capable, intelligent women? Or do you just not believe that women can be just as capable as a man in anything? Do you just not believe a woman can be intelligent? Perhaps even more-so than many men? Typically men that want to pigeonhole what a woman can and can't do and can and can't be are intimidated by them. Is that your issue? Are you intimidated by women in general and so feel a need to "put them in their place"?

 

[Draka]

Women should not have to be less in order for men to feel better about themselves. If a man is secure in himself, if he doesn't hinge his self-worth upon others...it shouldn't matter one iota what a woman does with her life. Who she is, what she does...doesn't affect a secure man. Only the insecure have issues with capable women.

 

[columbus]

Nope. You are obviously out of touch with reality. Most mothers cannot afford to stay home, as one breadwinner isn't nearly enough.

I only know USA culture well enough to discuss it. I'm not talking about anywhere else.
Suppose having a full time parent was considered a basic right. Having a child when you are not in a position to provide that right to a child was a scandalous breach of ethics. Even taking the chance of doing so was a scandal.

Imagine what that would do to both the labor market and the consumption patterns.

Taking millions of workers out of the market would drive wages up hugely. Having a parent at home fixing meals out of fresh ingredients would plummet the labor making restaurant meals and processed foods. The kids might not have iPhones, but they would have a parent aware of what they were doing, nearly all the time.
There would be a lot of systemic changes to society. They would be mainly for the better.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

I only know USA culture well enough to discuss it. I'm not talking about anywhere else.
Suppose having a full time parent was considered a basic right. Having a child when you are not in a position to provide that right to a child was a scandalous breach of ethics. Even taking the chance of doing so was a scandal.

Imagine what that would do to both the labor market and the consumption patterns.

Taking millions of workers out of the market would drive wages up hugely. Having a parent at home fixing meals out of fresh ingredients would plummet the labor making restaurant meals and processed foods. The kids might not have iPhones, but they would have a parent aware of what they were doing, nearly all the time.
There would be a lot of systemic changes to society. They would be mainly for the better.
Tom

I disagree. Your opinion here is based entirely on speculation that seems unsubstantiated. Do you have any verifiable evidence to support these claims? Has this been done before, or is speculation the best we have? All in all, I don't think this is plausible, as, even with two parents working, families often struggle to make ends meet. This seems like it is far too optimistic to be realistic.

 

[leibowde84]

I only know USA culture well enough to discuss it. I'm not talking about anywhere else.
Suppose having a full time parent was considered a basic right. Having a child when you are not in a position to provide that right to a child was a scandalous breach of ethics. Even taking the chance of doing so was a scandal.

Imagine what that would do to both the labor market and the consumption patterns.

Taking millions of workers out of the market would drive wages up hugely. Having a parent at home fixing meals out of fresh ingredients would plummet the labor making restaurant meals and processed foods. The kids might not have iPhones, but they would have a parent aware of what they were doing, nearly all the time.
There would be a lot of systemic changes to society. They would be mainly for the better.
Tom

I am in the US as well ... born and raised, btw. I live in Washington DC, and, how can you rectify this with the immense cost of housing, too many jobs for too few people, etc. in major cities right now? There aren't enough workers as it is.

 

[Robert.Evans]

@Robert.Evans Please pay attention this time.

what point are you making?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Feminism doesn't make a man cheat on his wife. Feminism doesn't make a man beat his wife. Feminism doesn't make a man run out just because he up and decided he didn't want kids anymore. Feminism is what gave women the ability to be able to make do on their own. For women to be treated fairly in the law and in the workplace. Feminism doesn't make men do anything.

I am not commenting on them each specifically, but feminism has been the biggest change in the last few decades. It is not coincidence that we see what we see. Women in general just want to blame men .
Why do you always see men as wife beaters? Just asking.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I suppose all of my female teachers and professors should have stopped at home, then. Never mind the fact that they became successful in their fields of study and careers. Never mind their demonstrably good ability to benefit others by passing along their knowledge. We should just revert back to the Dark Age and confine women to their homes.

What is wrong with them working either from home or a closer environment? The fact taht they can do something means they should?

 

[Debater Slayer]

What is wrong with them working either from home or a closer environment? The fact taht they can do something means they should?

Why shouldn't they work outside their home if they can be successful outside it?

 

[Robert.Evans]

My daughter was 8 at the time and too young, thankfully, to be impregnated, however, had she been, I would have had her have an abortion. The 'man' and I use the word loosely, was imprisoned for 2 years, got out and did it again to another child. The government does not involve itself, other than to prosecute the persons that did the wrong. Unfortunately, in this country, the law favors the criminal in many cases.

So what then is the definition of rape, considering your comment. And what actually happened?

 

[Robert.Evans]

If a job needs to be filled and a woman is just as capable, if not more so, than a man applying for the job then how did she take it from him? He didn't have it. She earned it. And there are no less jobs, it is still the same amount and someone is earning that money. Why not her? Why do you fear strong, capable, intelligent women? Or do you just not believe that women can be just as capable as a man in anything? Do you just not believe a woman can be intelligent? Perhaps even more-so than many men? Typically men that want to pigeonhole what a woman can and can't do and can and can't be are intimidated by them. Is that your issue? Are you intimidated by women in general and so feel a need to "put them in their place"?

I find your thinking illuminating seeing as a gender you wait until everything is so much easier in the first place and then come out to take male jobs, wreck the family in doing so, change market forces, and then give no thanks. The point is that we all answer to God and you are supposed to be following the feminine and not the masculine.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Women should not have to be less in order for men to feel better about themselves. If a man is secure in himself, if he doesn't hinge his self-worth upon others...it shouldn't matter one iota what a woman does with her life. Who she is, what she does...doesn't affect a secure man. Only the insecure have issues with capable women.

Women shoul d not have to feel less? Interesting. So you equate more with power and money, jobs in other words.
But men do have less, they have less jobs and less chance of seeing their family that feminism has broke up. I like your attack again on male pride. Very good. You keep at it. Don't give any thanks either. I couldn't imagine for one moment that men could do that.

 

[leibowde84]

I am not commenting on them each specifically, but feminism has been the biggest change in the last few decades. It is not coincidence that we see what we see. Women in general just want to blame men .
Why do you always see men as wife beaters? Just asking.

1. Who "always sees men as wife beaters"? Are you just making that up on your own?
2. Why do you "generally" always blame feminism as the cause for every problem associated with the family, yet provide no verifiable evidence to back up this seemingly outlandish assumption?

Just out of curiosity, are you married?