Are there successful atheist countries?

[Brickjectivity]

I would argue China, but China is arguably not atheist majority:

...also can China be called 'Successful' ? What are the criteria of a successful country?

 

[Spiderman]

...also can China be called 'Successful' ? What are the criteria of a successful country?

It has a very successful economy compared to other nations ( besides America.)

 

[LuisDantas]

Are any of those countries with an atheist majority?

Do you think that a country with an atheist majority would necessarily notice that it is such?

I doubt it. Atheism is unremarkable.

 

[LuisDantas]

The "Atheist" Chinese government has its own church and appoints the Bishops.

Bishops? First I hear of that.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What I mean by atheist, is the majority of the population identifies as atheist. I'm asking only about the 21st century.

I would argue China, but China is arguably not atheist majority:
"According to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists"
Irreligion in China - Wikipedia

It seems to me that Chinese folk religion has a lot similar to Japanese Shintoism. They even have an entire month dedicated to ghosts:

"In Chinese folk legend, the seventh lunar month is the Ghost Month. It is said that every year on the first day of the seventh lunar month, the gate of hell will be wide open and the ghosts will come out until the gate is closed on the 30th day of the month.

Chinese people would hold sacrifice ceremony and burn money at the roadside in the month to worship the ghosts

, people who die unexpectedly during this period are regarded "have been taken away by ghosts".
Ghost Month: Meaning, 2018 Dates, Do's and Don'ts, History

Some doctors do not perform surgeries on Chinese ghost month.

North Korea doesn't count unless somehow you can convince me that it is a successful Nation. I don't count a nation where so many people are starving to death and brutalized by the government to be successful.

Based on your criteria, how many 'atheist' nations are there???
Isn't it more relevant to see how secular nations are doing?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Norway has a 71.5 atheist majority.

That seems completely overblown.
Anything to offer as evidence?

 

[Spiderman]

Based on your criteria, how many 'atheist' nations are there???
Isn't it more relevant to see how secular nations are doing?

Ok

 

[ChristineM]

Non-religious doesn't mean atheist though. I am arguably non-religious, but I spend hours a day in prayer. There is simply no religion I feel I belong to.

Back when I used to be very anti religious, and even hate religion, I still said prayers now and then for good luck just in case.

You feel the need for prayer to your god, that in itself, by definition is religion

Religion : the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

 

[ChristineM]

Interesting enough:

"As explained in the following speech by the renowned scholar of Chinese religion John Lagerwey (whom is a true expert of religion in China, not like the Christian propagandist Fenggang Yang wildly promoted in recent years by American media), and well expressed by the title of one of his works,[1] China is a “religious state”: The traditional worship of gods and ancestors constitutes the fabric of Chinese society and the foundation of the Chinese state itself. It is one of the big lies of the Western media to present China as an “atheist state”. Even the Communist Party is no (or no longer) “atheist”, but embedded in the tradition of cultivating the roots of the Chinese civilisation, its “characteristics”, which are its forefather-gods and its ways to approach the gods of the broader cosmos."

https://www.quora.com/Is-China-a-religious-country

I have not claimed it to be an atheist state, but that non religion is the majority viewpoint. Note, the Pope read my post correctly seems you didn't

There are many different folk religions, each with limited numbers, ancestor worship etc. Using the definition of religion as "deity worship" then these are clearly not religion in the true sense of the word

Even Confucianism and Taoism are better classed as a philosophy than a religion


Religion in China - Wikipedia

 

[Anthem]

that non religion is the majority viewpoint. Note, the Pope read my post correctly seems you didn't

Bit I found sources that disagree.

I don't know **** about China, but I can't take your word for this.

 

[ChristineM]

Bit I found sources that disagree.

I don't know **** about China, but I can't take your word for this.

As i to have provided a source with many references at the end.

You provided a single source by a single author

Redefining the definition of religion does not actually help

 

[Anthem]

As i to have provided a source with many references at the end.

You provided a single source by a single author

Redefining the definition of religion does not actually help

Two links. One was wikipedia the other a news piece.

Redefining?.

Religions does have a complex definition.

 

[ChristineM]

Two links. One was wikipedia the other a news piece.

Redefining?.

Religions does have a complex definition.

One link
https://www.quora.com/Is-China-a-religious-country

No wiki in post #19


Confucianism is often characterized as a system of social and ethical philosophy rather than a religion. In fact, Confucianism built on an ancient religious foundation to establish the social values, institutions, and transcendent ideals of traditional Chinese society.
Confucianism

 

[Anthem]

One link
https://www.quora.com/Is-China-a-religious-country

No wiki in post #19


Confucianism is often characterized as a system of social and ethical philosophy rather than a religion. In fact, Confucianism built on an ancient religious foundation to establish the social values, institutions, and transcendent ideals of traditional Chinese society.
Confucianism

I meant your links. What's your point?

The question is is China a religious country and how much so?

 

[ChristineM]

I meant your links. What's your point?

The question is is China a religious country and how much so?

My point was your claim "Bit I found sources", i assumed the "bit" to be 'but' and sources to be plural.

My wiki link shows the demographic of religion in china.

This is really interesting though, the typical argument is that china is an atheist state. Which counters my position that in general it is majority non religious (as indicated by my wili
Iink) with some religious elements and your position that it is more religious.


Edit : i provided 1 link Religion in China - Wikipedia
my other link was posted after your post #32

 

[Anthem]

My point was your claim "Bit I found sources", i assumed the "bit" to be 'but' and sources to be plural.

My wiki link shows the demographic of religion in china.

This is really interesting though, the typical argument is that china is an atheist state. Which counters my position that in general it is majority non religious (as indicated by my wili
Iink) with some religious elements and your position that it is more religious.


Edit : i provided 1 link Religion in China - Wikipedia
my other link was posted after your post #32

I simply dont think wikipedia as a good source for this.

 

[ChristineM]

I simply dont think wikipedia as a good source for this.

And quora is?

Wiki provides references, quora doesn't. Sure, on its own Wikipedia is not a prime source, that is why one checks the references to validate accuracy.

I am not going to take one authors say so given it contradicts my own knowledge of China, that of several Chinese friends
and the copious references available online.

 

[Anthem]

And quora is?

Wiki provides references, quora doesn't. Sure, on its own Wikipedia is not a prime source, that is why one checks the references to validate accuracy.

I am not going to take one authors say so given it contradicts my own knowledge of China, that of several Chinese friends
and the copious references available online.

I never said quora was right. I said it contains contradicting information.

 

[LuisDantas]

What I mean by atheist, is the majority of the population identifies as atheist. I'm asking only about the 21st century.

I don't know if you understand the considerable element of self-contradiction in that premise. It suggests a somewhat confused conception of atheism.

People only go out of their way to voice atheism when they perceive a need to.

Japan, Scandinavia, even Germany have hardly any such need. Non-believers actually subsidize Christian churches out of consideration of cultural tradition (as opposed to actual theistic belief) in Europe.

Come to think of it, even Catholic "non-practicing" members here in Brazil are motivated far less by belief than by a desire not to raise feathers.

 

[Anthem]

I don't know if you understand the considerable element of self-contradiction in that premise. It suggests a somewhat confused conception of atheism.

People only go out of their way to voice atheism when they perceive a need to.

Japan, Scandinavia, even Germany have hardly any such need. Non-believers actually subsidize Christian churches out of consideration of cultural tradition (as opposed to actual theistic belief) in Europe.

Come to think of it, even Catholic "non-practicing" members here in Brazil are motivated far less by belief than by a desire not to raise feathers.

That's hearsay.