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Are we closer to WW3 with hate preacher as president of US?

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Imagine the Republican hatepreacher becomes President, will that bring world closer to wider conflict?

Some of the resistance movements will say: look, there is crusade against Islam. Trump doesnt deny it.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Some of the resistance movements will say: look, there is crusade against Islam. Trump doesnt deny it.
Aren't they already saying this?

Even though I agree that Trump would be an incredibly dangerous president, hate his guts, think he is an amazingly terribly influence on the children in the US as a thin-skinned bully, I don't think even he is trying to wage a crusade against Islam. Islamic extremism and anyone who wants to replace US Law with Sharia Law, maybe. But, I'm not sure it can be validly claimed that he wants to "crusade" against Islam itself.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
1.  He's not going to win.
2. He's not calling for any crusade. If inhabitants of Muslim nations want to live in superstition and ignorance, that's their problem — so long as they don't try to force it on us.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I don't know if Trump actually plans a crusade against Islam. That doesn't really seem to be the case.
But the idea you're suggesting, "don't antagonize an evil organization, because they'll attack you" doesn't seem like a very commendable idea.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
1.  He's not going to win.
2. He's not calling for any crusade. If inhabitants of Muslim nations want to live in superstition and ignorance, that's their problem — so long as they don't try to force it on us.



Its US forcing democracy on the world lol

Why should US care about how North Koreans, Afghanis and Malis wants to live?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Aren't they already saying this?

Even though I agree that Trump would be an incredibly dangerous president, hate his guts, think he is an amazingly terribly influence on the children in the US as a thin-skinned bully, I don't think even he is trying to wage a crusade against Islam. Islamic extremism and anyone who wants to replace US Law with Sharia Law, maybe. But, I'm not sure it can be validly claimed that he wants to "crusade" against Islam itself.
Thoughtful posts are so boring!
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I would not call Islam evil, and I certainly would not call resistence to Islamism a Crusade either.

Frankly, I don't even fear Trump all that much. There will always be buffoons. What worries me is seeing them being listened to so much and so widely.

Of course, it is not like I can sympathise with the Islamist movements either.

We should consider putting some effort at dispelling the fears of secularism (or whatever is called secularism elsewhere), though. The growth of theocratic movements is never a good thing.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Imagine the Republican hatepreacher becomes President, will that bring world closer to wider conflict?
Yes, but the Muslim part is only a small one.

I think Trump very likely to get us into a war by mistake. His lack of experience and finesse is likely to result in conflict that would be avoided by a hardened byatch of whoop *** like his opponent.
Clinton will only go to war if she decides to, and then on her terms. I think Trump likely to back into one accidentally.
Tom
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Imagine the Republican hatepreacher becomes President, will that bring world closer to wider conflict?

Some of the resistance movements will say: look, there is crusade against Islam. Trump doesnt deny it.
When a politician expresses that he proposes....
''A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States'', I have problem with him.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Yes, but the Muslim part is only a small one.

I think Trump very likely to get us into a war by mistake. His lack of experience and finesse is likely to result in conflict that would be avoided by a hardened byatch of whoop *** like his opponent.
Clinton will only go to war if she decides to, and then on her terms. I think Trump likely to back into one accidentally.
Tom
I couldn't agree more. And, the fact that he is unable to take any sliver of criticism without lashing out with childish personal attacks/insults is not something I consider acceptable in any way.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I would not call Islam evil, and I certainly would not call resistence to Islamism a Crusade either.

Frankly, I don't even fear Trump all that much. There will always be buffoons. What worries me is seeing them being listed so much and so widely.

Of course, it is not like I can sympathise with the Islamist movements either.

We should consider putting some effort at dispelling the fears of secularism (or whatever is called secularism elsewhere), though. The growth of theocratic movements is never a good thing.
It scares me too. And, watching the GOP Convention makes me think that is what they are after as well. I can't even keep track of how many times God, God's help, God's will, and divine intervention is brought up. It's like an AA meeting in there.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Its US forcing democracy on the world lol

I've always found it odd how some societies prefer kneeling to standing. Don't their knees get sore? I imagine their tongues do, too, from constantly licking the tread of their masters' boots.

Why should US care about how North Koreans, Afghanis and Malis wants to live?

Because decent human beings wish to see their fellow human beings free from suffering and oppression? It's funny how you say "want" as if they had a choice living under a tyranny.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I suspect most of the conflict would occur within the U.S. itself.
I agree with this in that I think we'll see more and more American Muslims recruited to become ISIS sympathizers. They'll buy guns legally to carry out their jihadist assaults on US citizens. It's happened at least twice. It will happen again.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Its US forcing democracy on the world lol

Why should US care about how North Koreans, Afghanis and Malis wants to live?
The North Koreans aren't the best example, as they are brain-washed and lied to from birth into thinking that their supreme leader is an all-powerful God. And, that "god" has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So, that fear is surely justified.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The North Koreans aren't the best example, as they are brain-washed and lied to from birth into thinking that their supreme leader is an all-powerful God. And, that "god" has nuclear weapons at his disposal. So, that fear is surely justified.

Even if they're not brain-washed, they're kept in line by abject fear, as they're subject to imprisonment, torture, execution, etc. for so much as sneezing at the wrong time. Every aspect of life is micromanaged by the state.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I agree with this in that I think we'll see more and more American Muslims recruited to become ISIS sympathizers. They'll buy guns legally to carry out their jihadist assaults on US citizens. It's happened at least twice. It will happen again.
This!
Trying to secure the USA with prohibitions and walls is like trying to hold a whole sinkfull of PingPong balls underwater at the same time.
Tom
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Even if they're not brain-washed, they're kept in line by abject fear, as they're subject to imprisonment, torture, execution, etc. for so much as sneezing at the wrong time. Every aspect of life is micromanaged by the state.
After seeing a few documentaries about life in North Korea, it seems pretty clear that it is brain-washing in action. They have "drunk the Kool-aid" so to speak. It's not their fault though. They are constantly fed lies.
 
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