Are we of blind faith?

[Dayv]

One problem I have noticed here is how people go about questioning and answering. I'm willing to bet most of you who claim to have questioned what you believe have only questioned a little, then got scared or bored (or drew some illogical conclusion) and gave up. Why? because you still believe it.

The thing is, to truely question your faith, you have to go back to the foundation. A lot of people are using scripture to affirm their faith, but have you ever questioned these scriptures? And if you have, and you still believe, have you questioned your questions? How do you know these scriptures speak truth? And even if they are basically true, history has been shown to have a strong sway towards the winning side. If your scriptures are divine, or divinely inspired, that means somewhere your god had a hand in it, and that means they are obviously going to have his skew on things.

This relates to what pandamonk said, satan doesn't seem so bad to me, most of what is said of him in the bible is just slander from god or some other prophet, maybe satan is just the loser of a battle between gods. Now if satan tries to defend himself, no ones going to listen because your god already said all he has is lies. Sounds kinda political to me

Personally I have questioned my faith often, in fact I constantly do, so much to the point of apathy. I hold to my faith more out of enjoyment of it than for any real logical reason, I hope I'm right, but I'm probably not. And there is no way to know who is right, everyone says there has to be one true faith, I'm betting there isn't one at all, or if there is, no one's found it yet.

 

[Angama]

I'm not fully convinced blind faith even exist. For it to be completely blind, reasons would seize to exist. Everybody has reasons.

AA

 

[Fatmop]

I'm not fully convinced blind faith even exist. For it to be completely blind, reasons would seize to exist. Everybody has reasons.

AA

"Blind faith" doesn't mean necessarily "faith without any reason," but rather "unquestioning faith." There is a reason for unquestioning faith - in fact, there could be several, including upbringing, genetic predisposition, etc.

This relates to what pandamonk said, satan doesn't seem so bad to me, most of what is said of him in the bible is just slander from god or some other prophet, maybe satan is just the loser of a battle between gods. Now if satan tries to defend himself, no ones going to listen because your god already said all he has is lies. Sounds kinda political to me

I've thought that occassionally. Why does God get all the glory, huh?

 

[fromthe heart]

I've thought that occassionally. Why does God get all the glory, huh?

Because the glory belongs to GOD...but that's just MPO!!!

 

[Fatmop]

Because the glory belongs to GOD...but that's just MPO!!!

But that doesn't address the 'politicking' concern raised by Dayv! What if Satan had gotten his Bible out first, instead of God doing it? What if Satan's Bible spread as the divine word? I mean, seriously!

 

[Searcher of Light]

The thing is, to truely question your faith, you have to go back to the foundation. A lot of people are using scripture to affirm their faith, but have you ever questioned these scriptures? And if you have, and you still believe, have you questioned your questions? How do you know these scriptures speak truth? And even if they are basically true, history has been shown to have a strong sway towards the winning side. If your scriptures are divine, or divinely inspired, that means somewhere your god had a hand in it, and that means they are obviously going to have his skew on things.

Excellent points, Dayv.Questions should be questioned. The source for answering those questions should be questioned as well.

I have gotten the impression that there is much more going on behind the scenes of spirituality in general. Humanity is driven to believe in something whether it is a spiritual view or a scientific view (sciences requires faith as well. Faith in the idea that everything that does exist has a logic behind it that is able to be understood). Christianity has a conflict at its center between Satan (whether a power or a person) and God. Satan apparently has the power to potientially have won. Otherwise why attempt?
Questions such as these mainly cannot be answered. However, questioning is a part of study, and Scripture tells us to study and not be blind in out beliefs (Matthew 7:7-9, 2 Timothy 2:15) Questioning is also the logical result of human curiosity. Perhaps suppression of that curiosity could be considered the greatest sin.

 

[Snowbear]

I have wondered so many times if my religion is from satan. I question it a lot.

What answers have you received?

 

[ThisShouldMakeSense]

The first of God's creations was Adam. I think this is the propblem that some of our Christian friends forget. There is a reminder about it from in The Qur'an:

"Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then He said "Be", and he was. The truth is from your Lord, so don't be among the doubters." (3:59-60)

Jesus the son of Mary, peace be upon him, was born by a miracle from a mother without a father, whereas Adam was directly created by God, with no father and no mother.

All the best.

If Adam was the first thing God created, where did he put him? Obviously he need somewhere to live, so God created the planet before adam. So adam wasn't the first thing he created, he was the first human he created.

And before pysical creation, he made spiritual beings, ie angels etc. The scriptures say that Jesus was God's masterworker, his righthand man. That's who he was talking to when he said 'Let us make man in our image.'

 

[Cordoba]

Hello TSMS:

So adam wasn't the first thing he created, he was the first human he created.

That's correct. Adam was the first human being God created.

And before pysical creation, he made spiritual beings, ie angels etc.

Yes, that's also correct.

The scriptures say that Jesus was God's masterworker, his righthand man. That's who he was talking to when he said 'Let us make man in our image.'

This is where we difffer. Jesus son of Mary, peace be upon him, was a human being. His mother Mary is from the descendents of Adam, which means that Jesus peace be upon him was born many centruries after Adam.

 

[Radar]

One problem I have noticed here is how people go about questioning and answering. I'm willing to bet most of you who claim to have questioned what you believe have only questioned a little, then got scared or bored (or drew some illogical conclusion) and gave up. Why? because you still believe it.

The thing is, to truely question your faith, you have to go back to the foundation. A lot of people are using scripture to affirm their faith, but have you ever questioned these scriptures? And if you have, and you still believe, have you questioned your questions? How do you know these scriptures speak truth? And even if they are basically true, history has been shown to have a strong sway towards the winning side. If your scriptures are divine, or divinely inspired, that means somewhere your god had a hand in it, and that means they are obviously going to have his skew on things.

This relates to what pandamonk said, satan doesn't seem so bad to me, most of what is said of him in the bible is just slander from god or some other prophet, maybe satan is just the loser of a battle between gods. Now if satan tries to defend himself, no ones going to listen because your god already said all he has is lies. Sounds kinda political to me

Personally I have questioned my faith often, in fact I constantly do, so much to the point of apathy. I hold to my faith more out of enjoyment of it than for any real logical reason, I hope I'm right, but I'm probably not. And there is no way to know who is right, everyone says there has to be one true faith, I'm betting there isn't one at all, or if there is, no one's found it yet.

Good post :clap . I don't think that there are any satanist on this forum but that would go along with there doctrine. Below is what they follow. I think many have flawed views of what a satanist is and wouldn't know it if they actually met one. I'm not being a devil's advocate (well sometimes) but you would probably think they were a kind and just person.

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth[/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Anton Szandor LaVey[/font][font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] [/font][font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]©1967[/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][Spanish, Croation] [/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]9. Do not harm little children. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. [/font]

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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Nine Satanic Statements[/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]from The Satanic Bible, ©1969[/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Anton Szandor LaVey[/font]
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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! [/font]

[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years! [/font]

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[Aqualung]

What answers have you received?

That depends on which question I asked. Lots of different questions means lots of different answers.

 

[Fatmop]

Those don't look like especially rational rules for well-being.. especially not "[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."[/font]

 

[ThisShouldMakeSense]

This is where we difffer. Jesus son of Mary, peace be upon him, was a human being. His mother Mary is from the descendents of Adam, which means that Jesus peace be upon him was born many centruries after Adam.

I'm glad you agree with the other stuff, but let me show these scriptures.
Galatians 4:4
'But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,'

Hebrews 2:9
'But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honour because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.'

You see, these two scriptures point to Jesus' prehuman existence. Hebrews 2;9 says that 'for a little while was made lower than the angels' so meaning that before that he was either greater or equal to the angels. so he had a prehuman existence.

Then there is John 3:16
"For God so loved the world,[a] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.'
Yet another scripture to prove that Jesus was sent by God.

 

[Aqualung]

huh? I definitely agree that Jesus had premortal existance, but I just don't get how those verses explain that. Could you clearify?

 

[Cordoba]

I'm glad you agree with the other stuff, but let me show these scriptures.
Galatians 4:4
'But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,'

Part of the confusion (imo) is related to the meaning of the word (son).

Are there no other names mentioned in the OT or the NT as being the son of God?

Doesn't "son of God" mean servant of God in Hebrew?

 

[ThisShouldMakeSense]

huh? I definitely agree that Jesus had premortal existance, but I just don't get how those verses explain that. Could you clearify?

which point. i thought they are clear...

 

[Darkdale]

Those don't look like especially rational rules for well-being.. especially not "[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."[/font]

so long as the mating signal is being "sexy", I'm all for it.

 

[Fatmop]

Welllll.... what I was pointing out was that even IF someone is giving you the signal, it might be wrong to make advances. Say someone in the bonds of wedlock is giving you the mating signal. You can sit here and make all kinds of arguments about how "well, it isn't really cheating" etc. etc. and I would understand where you're coming from (and I'm not saying that YOU would make those arguments.. never mind), but in our society, that is a big no-no. Bad consequences.