Are you a liar?

[Muffled]

I'm a Christian and that means the Scriptures/Bible is Cast Iron Irrefutable Evidence. Everything in the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is True.

I believe there are even true lies in it.

 

[Elihoenai]

If God told you the Bible is false, would you believe God or the Bible?

Elohim/God revealed to me that everything in the Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is True. Elohim/God revealed to me that the teachings that 2.2 Billion Christians in Christendom follow is False, although from their perspective it is also True. Can you or any other member on these forums work out this Riddle?

 

[Elihoenai]

Do you even know the history of how the Bible was constructed? Are you aware there were over 200 books at one time, and that in the 4th century men gathered to whittle down the "truth" to 66 or 72 books, depending on your version of bible. And them all the edits and changes over the centuries due to copying errors and commentaries. And then all the various language translations. The 17th century King James Bible was designed to give the King of England authority and meaning over the Bible, and then this version dominated Western Christianity since. Today they have even more translations that are comprehensible to modern English. The meanings of the words have changed a lot. So, eye of the beholder. Where's the truth?

That is common knowledge for Christians. I would be an ignorant Christian if I didn't know that information. It doesn't matter how it was constructed. What matters is the content and eye of the Beholder is important. Every eye is seeing differently.

No wonder there are over 44,000 sects of Christianity than can't agree on what the Bible means. Do you think your beliefs are THE truth?

I know my beliefs are the Truth.

Unless your guess here is mistaken. So, what evidence can you offer us that your beliefs conform to reality? If you can't, then I will continue with doubts about any God existing.

I'm not guessing or speculating. As I have repeatedly said to you and @Subduction Zone there is no evidence that will or can be provided to External parties. You get Absolute Certainty about Elohim/God through personal Religious Practice/Religious Experience. This is the only way.

 

[Elihoenai]

Jesus Christ was free from sin, and as l walk by His Spirit l am also free from sin. If l walk by the flesh, which l am able to do by choice, then l sin.

Paul discussed circumcision with Peter and the elders in Jerusalem [Acts 15]. Peter declared that it was not necessary for Gentiles to be circumcised in the flesh [verse 24].

To say that you believe everything in scripture is not helpful if it means you follow a covenant that has been replaced by a better way.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is the new covenant, and that faith in him is required as justification before God.

Genesis 17:23-24

23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.


1) Therefore, @Redemptionsong, are you saying that your are Sinless and Perfect? Are you saying that you are Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

2) I agree with everything in the book of Acts. The Gentile Abraham circumcised himself and Ishmael his Son before Judah/Jew was born, therefore, gentiles must follow Abraham and get circumcised.

3) You haven't attained to Replacement Better Way because you have never practiced the Old Covenant/First Covenant.

4) Amen! Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is the New Covenant. You have never known Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ or the New Covenant because you have never practiced the Old Covenant.

 

[Elihoenai]

1. Although it is good to remember Passover, Jesus made it a new covenant in His blood.

Ethnic Jews are not actually practicing Passover. To do the Passover you have to follow exactly the requirements in Exodus 12.

The Samaritans are the closes in practice of the Passover:

Samaritan Passover Samaria 2010

 

[Elihoenai]

I believe there are even true lies in it.

That's a contradiction. @Muffled, Can you provide an example of a True Lie in the Bible?

 

[F1fan]

That is common knowledge for Christians. I would be an ignorant Christian if I didn't know that information. It doesn't matter how it was constructed. What matters is the content and eye of the Beholder is important. Every eye is seeing differently.

You are, in essence, admitting to your bias. Rational thinkers recognize their bias and avoid it so they can understand objective truth. This is truth that conforms to reality, not dogmatic truth as you consider it.

I know my beliefs are the Truth.

Sure, your own private, subjective, irrational, and anti-factual truth that no one can confirm is true, including you. Knock yourself out. Believe what you want. But if you are going to claim you have truth in a forum that includes critical thinkers you'd better be able to demonstrate your "truth" conforms to reality. We see that it doesn't.

I'm not guessing or speculating.

If you are not guessing, but can't show us any evidence that an objective and ration al mind can conclude your version of God exists, then you are either guessing or have some sort of special extra sensory ability to detect a God that others can't. Which is it? Do you have special powers?

As I have repeatedly said to you and @Subduction Zone there is no evidence that will or can be provided to External parties.

Well there you go. There is no way a rational and objective mind can conclude a God exists. So then, what convinced your mind? Religious influence? Fear? Special powers?

You get Absolute Certainty about Elohim/God through personal Religious Practice/Religious Experience. This is the only way.

Sure, if you invest time and interest into some practice you will condition yourself into believing it's all for something real. Psychology explains this behavior. This is like cult influences on the minds of believers. Once your ego is absorbed you will work to maintain the illusion and protect your ego.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Genesis 17:23-24

23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.


1) Therefore, @Redemptionsong, are you saying that your are Sinless and Perfect? Are you saying that you are Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

2) I agree with everything in the book of Acts. The Gentile Abraham circumcised himself and Ishmael his Son before Judah/Jew was born, therefore, gentiles must follow Abraham and get circumcised.

3) You haven't attained to Replacement Better Way because you have never practiced the Old Covenant/First Covenant.

4) Amen! Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is the New Covenant. You have never known Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ or the New Covenant because you have never practiced the Old Covenant.

Your claim to believing scripture is being severely tested here! How can you say you believe what is written in Acts if you reject the words of Peter and Paul in Acts 15?

The 'new life' in Christ is not about the earthly configuration, but about the heavenly reality. This heavenly reality is manifest through the Spirit.

If every Gentile had to first live under the law of Moses then there would be no Gentiles in the body of Christ. Yet, the body of Christ is made up of both Jew and Gentile. The latter are not under any obligation to be circumcised in the flesh, only in the heart.

Abraham follow the commandments given to him by God, and he knew the meaning of righteousness through faith.

I was born a sinner, and l commit sin when l do not follow the path of righteousness. The path of righteousness is the way of the Holy Spirit, as shown by Christ in his love and compassion for others.

We live our lives in the flesh, and to conquer the inclination to sin in the flesh is the victory won through following the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elihoenai]

You are, in essence, admitting to your bias. Rational thinkers recognize their bias and avoid it so they can understand objective truth. This is truth that conforms to reality, not dogmatic truth as you consider it.

Certainly I'm Ultra Biased towards Religion. I told you before, I'm a non-violent Religious Extremist. To be a True Religionist you must be Dogmatic. Being Dogmatic is a Badge of Honour. Everybody is Biased. You are biased about Rational Thinking and Science.

Sure, your own private, subjective, irrational, and anti-factual truth that no one can confirm is true, including you. Knock yourself out. Believe what you want. But if you are going to claim you have truth in a forum that includes critical thinkers you'd better be able to demonstrate your "truth" conforms to reality. We see that it doesn't.

True Religionist don't try to convince Critical Thinkers. If you have not realised already, True Religionist are not conforming to your rules. What are Atheist Heathens like you and @Subduction Zone doing on a Religious forum talking to Irrational Religious Practitioners? What do you hope to achieve?

If you are not guessing, but can't show us any evidence that an objective and ration al mind can conclude your version of God exists, then you are either guessing or have some sort of special extra sensory ability to detect a God that others can't. Which is it? Do you have special powers?

I told you before that there is a Supernatural Sphere and that you cannot prove that the Supernatural exist to others. You have to experience the Supernatural for yourself.

Well there you go. There is no way a rational and objective mind can conclude a God exists. So then, what convinced your mind? Religious influence? Fear? Special powers?

I told you before, seeing the Original Christian Doctrine and Religious Practice.

Sure, if you invest time and interest into some practice you will condition yourself into believing it's all for something real. Psychology explains this behavior. This is like cult influences on the minds of believers. Once your ego is absorbed you will work to maintain the illusion and protect your ego.

Well there are 4 Billion people that practice the Religion of Christianity and Islam, not to mention the other Religions. What do you intend to do with these Billions of Christians and Muslims under Cult Influences? You cannot do anything about it.

 

[Elihoenai]

Your claim to believing scripture is being severely tested here! How can you say you believe what is written in Acts if you reject the words of Peter and Paul in Acts 15?

The 'new life' in Christ is not about the earthly configuration, but about the heavenly reality. This heavenly reality is manifest through the Spirit.

If every Gentile had to first live under the law of Moses then there would be no Gentiles in the body of Christ. Yet, the body of Christ is made up of both Jew and Gentile. The latter are not under any obligation to be circumcised in the flesh, only in the heart.

Abraham follow the commandments given to him by God, and he knew the meaning of righteousness through faith.

I was born a sinner, and l commit sin when l do not follow the path of righteousness. The path of righteousness is the way of the Holy Spirit, as shown by Christ in his love and compassion for others.

We live our lives in the flesh, and to conquer the inclination to sin in the flesh is the victory won through following the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 26:5

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my

John 8:39

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.


1) I agree with everything written in Genesis 17 and Acts 15.

2) You put away the Old Man with the Old Covenant. Every person initially approaches Elohim/God as a Sinner. There is no way to get around this.

3) Are you saying that no Gentile can practice the Law of Moses?

4) That's correct. Abraham kept Elohim's/God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws demonstrating Faith. We are required to do the works of Father Abraham by keeping Elohim's/God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws and getting Circumcised.

5) @Redemptionsong It's impossible for you stop Sinning because of the way you think. Are you able to Reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Genesis 26:5

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my

John 8:39

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.


1) I agree with everything written in Genesis 17 and Acts 15.

2) You put away the Old Man with the Old Covenant. Every person initially approaches Elohim/God as a Sinner. There is no way to get around this.

3) Are you saying that no Gentile can practice the Law of Moses?

4) That's correct. Abraham kept Elohim's/God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws demonstrating Faith. We are required to do the works of Father Abraham by keeping Elohim's/God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws and getting Circumcised.

5) @Redemptionsong It's impossible for you stop Sinning because of the way you think. Are you able to Reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15?

The commandment to circumcise is followed by all who are the descendants of Abraham, lsaac and Jacob. It takes place when a 'man child' is eight days old.

Genesis 17:12. 'And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised amongst you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed'.

It states here that circumcision should be 'in your generations', whereas the seed (Christ) is one 'generation' [see Matthew 1:1]

Gentiles are not required to become Jews in order to receive the Spirit of Christ. The essence of the law is contained in the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments were summarised by Jesus in the commandment to love God and neighbour. This is the Spirit of the moral law.

The works of Abraham are works of faith, and in Christ we are to abide by faith. This means following the Holy Spirit. By so doing, one is not committing sin. We only commit sin when we walk by the flesh and not the Spirit. That which is not of faith is sin [Romans 14:23].

I reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15 through faith in Christ as the completion of all that is contained in the law. I don't have to have been under the law of Moses to recognise that Jesus was under the law and that he did everything required of a righteous Jew. This included being circumcised at eight days old.

 

[Elihoenai]

The commandment to circumcise is followed by all who are the descendants of Abraham, lsaac and Jacob. It takes place when a 'man child' is eight days old.

Genesis 17:12. 'And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised amongst you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed'.

It states here that circumcision should be 'in your generations', whereas the seed (Christ) is one 'generation' [see Matthew 1:1]

Genesis 17:24-25

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.


The descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob are Circumcised at the required eight days old. If you are not a descendant and convert to the Christian Religion as an adult you follow Abraham, as Elohim/God commanded, by Circumcising. Remember Abraham and Ishmael are Gentiles when they get Circumcised in the Flesh of their Foreskin.

Gentiles are not required to become Jews in order to receive the Spirit of Christ. The essence of the law is contained in the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments were summarised by Jesus in the commandment to love God and neighbour. This is the Spirit of the moral law.

Ephesians 2:11-13

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

To the contrary, Gentiles must become Jews to receive the Holy Spirit. The Tribe Judah/Jew is part of Israel made up of 12 Tribes, therefore, Jew/Judah is Israel. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Judah/Jew and that means you must become a Jew to be a Real Disciple.

The works of Abraham are works of faith, and in Christ we are to abide by faith. This means following the Holy Spirit. By so doing, one is not committing sin. We only commit sin when we walk by the flesh and not the Spirit. That which is not of faith is sin [Romans 14:23].

It appears you are walking by the Flesh given your interpretations. You are a member of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church. Do you have Recreational Sex? Do you Fast?

I reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15 through faith in Christ as the completion of all that is contained in the law. I don't have to have been under the law of Moses to recognise that Jesus was under the law and that he did everything required of a righteous Jew. This included being circumcised at eight days old.

Acts 15:20

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

That's not reconciling Genesis 17 and Acts 15, as you have rejected Elohim's/God's command to Circumcise in favour of what is instructed in Acts 15. Amen! Yeshua/Jesus was brought up Under the Law of Moses and kept all the Laws to Perfection. @Redemptionsong Therefore, you have rejected Yeshua's/Jesus's given that you are not following his Path. I think any intelligent person on these Forums can see that you cannot know Yeshua/Jesus without going through his exact Religious Experience.

To reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15 you must go beyond what appears the minimal requirement in Acts 15 and Circumcise, as Elohim/God commanded in Genesis 17. In that way, you are obeying the Commands of both. I go way beyond the 4 Commands listed in Acts.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Genesis 17:24-25

24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.


The descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob are Circumcised at the required eight days old. If you are not a descendant and convert to the Christian Religion as an adult you follow Abraham, as Elohim/God commanded, by Circumcising. Remember Abraham and Ishmael are Gentiles when they get Circumcised in the Flesh of their Foreskin.




Ephesians 2:11-13

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

To the contrary, Gentiles must become Jews to receive the Holy Spirit. The Tribe Judah/Jew is part of Israel made up of 12 Tribes, therefore, Jew/Judah is Israel. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Judah/Jew and that means you must become a Jew to be a Real Disciple.





It appears you are walking by the Flesh given your interpretations. You are a member of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church. Do you have Recreational Sex? Do you Fast?





Acts 15:20

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

That's not reconciling Genesis 17 and Acts 15, as you have rejected Elohim's/God's command to Circumcise in favour of what is instructed in Acts 15. Amen! Yeshua/Jesus was brought up Under the Law of Moses and kept all the Laws to Perfection. @Redemptionsong Therefore, you have rejected Yeshua's/Jesus's given that you are not following his Path. I think any intelligent person on these Forums can see that you cannot know Yeshua/Jesus without going through his exact Religious Experience.

To reconcile Genesis 17 and Acts 15 you must go beyond what appears the minimal requirement in Acts 15 and Circumcise, as Elohim/God commanded in Genesis 17. In that way, you are obeying the Commands of both. I go way beyond the 4 Commands listed in Acts.

The NT is all about the coming of the Holy Spirit. This Spirit replaces the need for a list of written commandments because it focuses on the heart of man. If the heart is made clean from sin then the fruit of the tree will be good.

To be of the 'commonwealth of Israel' does not mean to become a Jew. It means to belong to the body of Christ, and to receive the promise that follows from faith. This promise is of the Holy Spirit.

It appears to me that you are trying to live a life of religion, where outward appearances mean more than inner truth. I believe l know the peace of Christ and the assurance that faith brings.

So you think that a person who is circumcised in the flesh is automatically faithful in word and deed? Have you read Galatians 5?

 

[Elihoenai]

The NT is all about the coming of the Holy Spirit. This Spirit replaces the need for a list of written commandments because it focuses on the heart of man. If the heart is made clean from sin then the fruit of the tree will be good.

To be of the 'commonwealth of Israel' does not mean to become a Jew. It means to belong to the body of Christ, and to receive the promise that follows from faith. This promise is of the Holy Spirit.

It appears to me that you are trying to live a life of religion, where outward appearances mean more than inner truth. I believe l know the peace of Christ and the assurance that faith brings.

So you think that a person who is circumcised in the flesh is automatically faithful in word and deed? Have you read Galatians 5?

Given that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Jew, how can you belong to the body of Christ/Messiah without becoming a Jew/Judah?

The practise of the Law of Moses demonstrates Faith and leads to the Holy Spirit.

Circumcision of the Flesh does not make a person automatically faithful, anymore than Water Baptism does. If the person is Sincere, Circumcision of the Flesh and Water Baptism demonstrates one is being faithful.

@Redemptionsong Given that you have not provided an answer about Recreational Sex and Fasting, I assume that you are having Recreational Sex and not Fasting. When a person calls a Dog a Cat and a Cat a Dog it does not make it True. In the same way calling Flesh as Spirit and Spirit as Flesh does not make it True.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Given that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is a Jew, how can you belong to the body of Christ/Messiah without becoming a Jew/Judah?

The practise of the Law of Moses demonstrates Faith and leads to the Holy Spirit.

Circumcision of the Flesh does not make a person automatically faithful, anymore than Water Baptism does. If the person is Sincere, Circumcision of the Flesh and Water Baptism demonstrates one is being faithful.

@Redemptionsong Given that you have not provided an answer about Recreational Sex and Fasting, I assume that you are having Recreational Sex and not Fasting. When a person calls a Dog a Cat and a Cat a Dog it does not make it True. In the same way calling Flesh as Spirit and Spirit as Flesh does not make it True.

You're wrong on a number of counts!

Firstly, Jesus Christ is both the King of the Jews and the Saviour of the world [1 John 4:14].

Secondly, following the law of Moses is not about faith! You don't need faith to follow a set of commandments; you need obedience. The covenant made between God and Israel, through Moses, was based on blessings and cursings, dependent on whether the law was obeyed or disobeyed.

Thirdly, grace, in the form of the Holy Spirit, is not available to those who choose to live by law. Law and grace are two different covenants.

Fourthly, l have been married, monogamously, for 36 years! I do fast, but probably not as often as l should. l find fasting difficult when active and working.

 

[Elihoenai]

You're wrong on a number of counts!

Firstly, Jesus Christ is both the King of the Jews and the Saviour of the world [1 John 4:14].

Secondly, following the law of Moses is not about faith! You don't need faith to follow a set of commandments; you need obedience. The covenant made between God and Israel, through Moses, was based on blessings and cursings, dependent on whether the law was obeyed or disobeyed.

Thirdly, grace, in the form of the Holy Spirit, is not available to those who choose to live by law. Law and grace are two different covenants.

Fourthly, l have been married, monogamously, for 36 years! I do fast, but probably not as often as l should. l find fasting difficult when active and working.

Hebrews 11:28

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.


1) Therefore, you are saying that you are of the World and don't want to become a Jew/Judah.

2) The Law of Moses is a about Faith and the Demonstration of Faith. The Passover is the Law of Moses and is kept by Faith. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ on the Cross is the Passover Demonstrating Powerful Faith. The Cross is Under the Law. @Redemptionsong Are you saying what Yeshua/Jesus did on the Cross is not Faith? Are you saying that Paul a Servant of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is wrong when he declared that Moses kept the Passover through Faith?

3) Only those that Keep the Law of Moses will find Grace and Receive the Holy Spirit.

4) I didn't ask whether you are married. I asked whether you are having Recreational Sex. Recreational Sex is Sex for pleasure without intention to Procreate. You must stop having Recreational Sex. Sex is only for producing children between mature married Man and Woman. Do you agree or disagree that Sex is only for Procreation?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Hebrews 11:28

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.


1) Therefore, you are saying that you are of the World and don't want to become a Jew/Judah.

2) The Law of Moses is a about Faith and the Demonstration of Faith. The Passover is the Law of Moses and is kept by Faith. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ on the Cross is the Passover Demonstrating Powerful Faith. The Cross is Under the Law. @Redemptionsong Are you saying what Yeshua/Jesus did on the Cross is not Faith? Are you saying that Paul a Servant of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is wrong when he declared that Moses kept the Passover through Faith?

3) Only those that Keep the Law of Moses will find Grace and Receive the Holy Spirit.

4) I didn't ask whether you are married. I asked whether you are having Recreational Sex. Recreational Sex is Sex for pleasure without intention to Procreate. You must stop having Recreational Sex. Sex is only for producing children between mature married Man and Woman. Do you agree or disagree that Sex is only for Procreation?

Hebrews 11 gives examples of faithful men of God, and Moses was a man of faith. The majority of lsraelites did not live by faith, they lived by law. Why? Because they had no personal knowledge of the LORD. They relied upon the prophets of God to reveal God's words and commandments.

Jesus Christ lived under the law and, after baptism, by the Holy Spirit. In him is the fulfilment of the law. He takes away our need to live by the letter of the law. He gives us the Holy Spirit, through faith, that enables us to be counted as righteous before God. If we fall, and seek forgiveness, we know we have an advocate in heaven.

Walking by the Holy Spirit means that believers keep the moral law. Believers do not have to be following the law of Moses to do so, as Cornelius' household demonstrated!

If, as you suggest, we must keep the law of Moses to receive the Holy Spirit, then none of us would receive the Holy Spirit! The only person to have kept God's law perfectly was Jesus Christ.

Are you single or married? How can you distinguish between recreational sex and procreational sex? Do you begin your 'love making' by asking the question, ls this for recreational or procreational purposes?! l can't see that kind of relationship lasting for long!!

 

[Elihoenai]

Hebrews 11 gives examples of faithful men of God, and Moses was a man of faith. The majority of lsraelites did not live by faith, they lived by law. Why? Because they had no personal knowledge of the LORD. They relied upon the prophets of God to reveal God's words and commandments.

Jesus Christ lived under the law, and after baptism, by the Holy Spirit. In him is the fulfilment of the law. He takes away our need to live by the letter of the law. He gives us the Holy Spirit, through faith, that enables us to be counted as righteous before God. If we fall, and seek forgiveness, we know we have an advocate in heaven.

Walking by the Holy Spirit means that believers keep the moral law. Believers do not have to be following the law of Moses to do so, as Cornelius' household demonstrated!

If, as you suggest, we must keep the law of Moses to receive the Holy Spirit, then none of us would receive the Holy Spirit! The only person to have kept God's law perfectly was Jesus Christ.

Are you single or married? How can you distinguish between recreational sex and procreational sex? Do you begin your 'love making' by asking the question, ls this for recreational or procreational purposes?! l can't see that kind of relationship lasting for long!!

Numbers 14:29-31

29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward which have murmured against me.

30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.

31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.

1 Corinthians 7:1

7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.


Amen! I'm in total agreement with fifth paragraph you wrote. Now we are at the root of the matter. Nobody can keep the Law of Moses. Only Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ keeps Elohim's/God's Law Perfectly.

I am Celibate and Single like Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ, John the Baptist and Paul the Apostle. My position is that if you cannot be Celibate, if you can bare to have Sex, it must be between mature married man and woman for procreation purposes only. People know the difference between Recreational Sex and Procreational Sex, With Recreational Sex the man wears a condom, the woman may take the pill or rhythm method is used. It's also Recreation Sex when you know the woman is of age that she cannot get pregnant. Married people usually make deliberate choices to have children and the number of them.