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Are you glad that Trump is our president

Are you glad that Trump is our President

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • No

    Votes: 21 65.6%

  • Total voters
    32

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I'm just wondering what the general consensus is at this forum, so if you could please vote that would be great. From what I see on twitter and elsewhere, it seems the vast majority of Americans do not like this guy. I'm surprised He got elected. What do you think the chances are of him getting impeached?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Voted No. I think the sooner he's impeached the better, though I don't think Mike Pence will be much of an improvement.

I have found there has however been a strange sense of relief that's come after he was elected. I get the feeling we don't have to keep up pretenses anymore and that we can now admit we are all in serious trouble. We don't have to go on denying it and that's been a welcome release. There is a camaraderie in it if you are willing to see past that labels. There has been a throughly weird and surreal sense of "business as usual" whilst the world burns for the past few years. Now we are beyond the point of denial and have to start doing something constructive about it. Before the election I wasn't sure if I was just crazy- but after trump won it started to "get real" and make me think about all the things I need to do to get on top of everything. Some of the uncertainty has gone and I know things are going to get worse but I can make decisions based on that. That at least, does actually feel good as I feel like I have to grow up a bit.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Voted No. I think the sooner he's impeached the better, though I don't think Mike Pence will be much of an improvement.

I have found there has however been a strange sense of relief that's come after he was elected. I get the feeling we don't have to keep up pretenses anymore and that we can now admit we are all in serious trouble. We don't have to go on denying it and that's been a welcome release. There is a camaraderie in it if you are willing to see past that labels. There has been a throughly weird and surreal sense of "business as usual" whilst the world burns for the past few years. Now we are beyond the point of denial and have to start doing something constructive about it. Before the election I wasn't sure if I was just crazy- but after trump won it started to "get real" and make me think about all the things I need to do to get on top of everything. Some of the uncertainty has gone and I know things are going to get worse but I can make decisions based on that. That at least, does actually feel good as I feel like I have to grow up a bit.

What impeachable crime has Trump committed?
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
At this point, no.

I mentioned previous that I was going to give 6 months or so before I made a judgement call. But I can't any longer. He's doing most of the things that I voted against him to do.

Plus, he's just not a proper president. Stop with the twitter use and the name bashing. People can disagree with him without getting called a name.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What impeachable crime has Trump committed?

Trump is attempting a political revolution in the USA that will cause a huge amount of global instability. Its probably too late to do anything and the damage is already being done- but we have to get him out ASAP just as damage control.

Its partisan as hell, and I'm probably on the losing side- but I'm not under-estimating what the man is capable of.

 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
What impeachable crime has Trump committed?

Grounds For Impeachment
President Trump’s personal and business holdings in the United States and abroad present unprecedented conflicts of interest. Indeed, President Trump has admitted he has conflicts of interest in some cases. For example, the Trump Organization has licensing deals with two Trump Towers in Istanbul, and has received up to $10 million from developers since 2014.[1] President Trump admitted recently that “I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul.”[2]

Crucially, some of these business arrangements violate the U.S. Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause, which provides: “[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”[3] The purpose of this provision is to prevent foreign influence or corruption. “Emoluments” from foreign governments include “any conferral of a benefit or advantage, whether through money, objects, titles, offices, or economically valuable waivers or relaxations of otherwise applicable requirements,” even including “ordinary, fair market value transactions that result in any economic profit or benefit to the federal officeholder.”[4]

Many of the Trump Organization’s extensive business dealings with foreign governments, businesses owned by foreign governments, and other foreign leaders violate this ban. A recent legal analysis by Prof. Laurence Tribe of Harvard Law School, Ambassador (ret.) Norman Eisen (former chief ethics counsel to President Barack Obama), and Professor Richard Painter (former chief ethics counsel to President George W. Bush) concluded that Mr. Trump would be violating the foreign emoluments ban from the moment he took office, due to “a steady stream of monetary and other benefits from foreign powers and their agents” deriving from his existing business arrangements.[5] As a result, since he did not divest his business operations before inauguration, he has been violating the Foreign Emoluments Clause since the moment he took office.[6]

Examples of existing business arrangements that constitute violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause include:

  • Trump’s business partner in Trump Tower Century City (Manila, Philippines) is Century Properties. (Trump is not the developer; he has a brand licensing contract.) The head of Century Properties is Jose Antonio, who was just named special envoy to the United States by the president of the Philippines.[7] Payments from a company owned by a foreign government official are foreign emoluments.
  • China’s state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is the largest tenant in Trump Tower. It is also a major lender to Trump.[8] Both its regular rent payments, and its ongoing extension of credit, are foreign emoluments.
  • Foreign diplomats have already begun shifting their D.C. hotel and event reservations to Trump International Hotel, to curry favor or at least avoid insulting the president.[9] Indeed, the Embassy of Kuwait was reportedly pressured by the Trump Organization to change an existing reservation and reschedule the event at the Trump International.[10] Payments by foreign diplomats for lodging, meeting space, or food at the hotel are foreign emoluments.
Similarly, the Constitution’s Domestic Emoluments Clause (also known as the Presidential Compensation Clause) provides: “The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.”[11] This provision, which is not waivable by Congress, is designed to prevent corruption, as Alexander Hamilton explained:

“Neither the Union, nor any of its members, will be at liberty to give, nor will he be at liberty to receive, any other emolument than that which may have been determined by the first act. He can, of course, have no pecuniary inducement to renounce or desert the independence intended for him by the Constitution.”[12]

President Trump has chosen to continue owning businesses that receive government subsidies and tax breaks in violation of this provision. For example, since 1980, Mr. Trump and his businesses have “reaped at least $885 million in tax breaks, grants and other subsidies for luxury apartments, hotels and office buildings in New York.”[13] As President, federal and state subsidies and tax breaks violate the Domestic Emoluments Clause.

Furthermore, as noted above, “emoluments” are not limited to monetary payments; they also include economically valuable favorable regulatory actions. President Trump’s control over the vast modern powers of the executive branch means that regulatory action affecting his businesses favorably constitutes an “Emolument from the United States.” For example, President Trump’s ongoing lease of Washington, D.C.’s Old Post Office, in which the Trump International Hotel is located, violates an explicit clause in the General Services Administration lease contract providing: “No . . . elected official of the Government of the United States . . . shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom . .. .”[14] In late November, members of Congress wrote the GSA requesting information about the “imminent breach-of-lease and conflict of interest issues created by President-elect Donald Trump’s lease with the U.S. Government for the Trump International Hotel building in Washington, D.C.”[15] The GSA responded in mid-December that it could not make a determination “until the full circumstances surrounding the president-elect’s business arrangements have been finalized and he has assumed office.”[16] His business arrangements have been announced (not including any divestment of the hotel) and he has assumed office, but the GSA is not pursuing any legal action to enforce the provision. That favorable regulatory treatment provides President Trump a significant financial benefit from the federal government above and beyond his federal salary.

Finally, the Committee should also investigate whether President Trump is violating the the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act of 2012 (STOCK Act). The STOCK Act is one of the few federal ethics statutes that specifically includes the President. Among other provisions, it prohibits the President from (1) using nonpublic information for private profit, and from (2) intentionally influencing an employment decision or practice of a private entity solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation.[17]

Impeach Trump Now
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I'm just wondering what the general consensus is at this forum, so if you could please vote that would be great. From what I see on twitter and elsewhere, it seems the vast majority of Americans do not like this guy. I'm surprised He got elected. What do you think the chances are of him getting impeached?

Polls like these don't actually give you an accurate measure of general consensus. Really they are more or less for fun, rather than informing you on how the members of the forums feel.
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Trump is attempting a political revolution in the USA that will cause a huge amount of global instability.

Hmm. This one has to wonder if this is symptom, not cause. It seems clear that there are some significant, underlying issues that could fuel a revolution one way or another. Someone like this person getting elected seems symptomatic of the revolutionary to me. But who knows...
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Might it have been a diabolical conspiracy to get Pense as president, because nobody had ever heard of him?
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I don't know Pence, so I can say.

What?

He asked what grounds for impeachment there were, and I remembered that site had listed them out, so I provided a link.

I do find it interesting they already have over 600k that have singed it.

As of 3:49 pm EST, February 6, 2017, 611,214 signers and counting have joined the campaign to Impeach Trump Now.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Do you think that there is anyone that you need to listen to?

Sure, but not if they think the people trying to impeach Trump are part of some evil conspiracy to make Pence president. The simple truth is that Trump is just a really unpopular guy and that is why so many want to see him impeached.
 
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