Are you here to only hear what you want to hear ?.

[psychoslice]

All you had to do was give me a straight answer to my first post and that wouldn't have happened.

Na, your not a very nice person, I want nothing to do with you, manipulating and trying to cause confusion is your game, and I will not play it.

 

[Quagmire]

Na, your not a very nice person, I want nothing to do with you, manipulating and trying to cause confusion is your game, and I will not play it.

LOL! Have a nice day/night.

 

[psychoslice]

Thanks, and good day or night to you also.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram ,

please understand that the following is said with no malice on my part I am simply replying so that this missunderstanding and hurt can be cleared up and that everyone can go hapily on their way , ...

Just listen to what you are saying, you are talking down to me as if you have the truth. I don't have any particular beliefs, but I do take what makes senses to me from all religions, even Hinduism. I have read much about Krishna and I love the stories about him, especially the Gita. Its just that I don't see the stories as something that really happened, that's no importance to our spiritual growth, its where the words point that is most beneficial to our growth.

I am in no way intending to talk down to you , ...I am just talking from the heart , ...the difference here is that I do have particular beleifs , but may I please explain that when an average Hindu or Buddhist says that they have a beleif it means that they have Faith in what the Acharyas teach , ... both Hinduism and Buddhism are in some respects an exact science , this science has been tried and tested by many fine minds over many centuries , so when a Buddhist or Hindu says they beleive it is because they see the wisdom in the teachings of the Acharyas, thus they have more than a beleif they have Faith .
what the avaeage Hindu or Buddhist practitioner realises is that we know nothing , and that we are incapable to judge without some guidance , therefore we look up to the Acharyas and listen patiently to their guidance . so for instance when we talk about Krsna or the Gita we talk about it in the way that we have been taught to read it , ...that does not mean that we have been brainwashed , it simply means that we accept the meaning given to us in explanation from a lerned person in a genuine bonafide tradition , ..now when our Gurus teach us that the Gita is the word of God we listen with seriousness and regard it to be more than a story , many many serious Hindus not only regard Krsna as the Lord him self , but also regard the Gita as a conversation which took place at a particular point in time , ....

of course you are free to beleive that it is just a story , but in which case you must accept that millions will vhemently dissagree on this issue .

The problem with many believes is that they are, seeing the world and their beliefs as the only world and beliefs that are true. No beliefs are true, if they were, they wouldn't be beliefs,

Exactly why I prefer to use Faith , ...Hinduism is a Faith , Christianity is a Faith , Islam is a Faith , ....

do we need to believe the sun will rise each morning, of course not. And listening to what others say about Osho or anyone, is second hand knowledge, find out for yourself.

the reason that these religious beleifs are more truly Faiths , is that we can see that there is tried and tested methodology behind their teachings , and that if followed and examined correctly there is eficacy in their teachings and instructions this is as true as the fact that the sun will rise in the morning , ...
however if one simply picks and chooses portions of the scriptures that appeal or in which we can see some lesson for today , we are very likely to miss other valuable teachings which will help us to put everything into perspective and to develop true faith , ....and if we are truely seeking spiritual growth , we must not expect the ride to be 100% easy , ....there will be chalenges to mere beleif allong the way , ...

so basicaly , ...if you chalenge others , especialy those with firm Faith , ..you canot expect to go unchalenged yourself , ...it is not personal so please do not take it that way .

 

[psychoslice]

Hi ratikala, yes I can agree with that on one level, that is if you are on that level and only understand that level. But if one wants to be Awakened, wouldn't they want to move from that level, no matter what the teaching is. If the teaching comes from Krishna, the Buddha, Christ or the old drunk in the gutter, so what, if we are truly ready we will ignite just like that.

Many believe they are on a path, they long for Enlightenment, they spend their whole life trying to reach a place where they are already, we cannot go anywhere else, the path, the journey is all constructed by the ego wanting to keep us on the path, to keep us praying, chanting and all the other practises. These are tricks made by the ego, the ego never wants to Awaken, it will dig its heals into your mind making us believe we are doing the right thing.

I'm not saying I have all the answers, there is no true answer, I realise that whatever I say had to come through the mind, therefore whatever we say no matter who say's it, it will be contaminated in some way by the mind. So what I am trying to say is that we need to stop and think, do we really want Enlightenment, or are we happy just being on the journey, or arguing over scripture trying to be right, when we will always be wrong.

So we need to listen to what others are saying, not to label them and discard them, you may never know what will be if you did listen.

 

[ratikala]

Hi ratikala, yes I can agree with that on one level, that is if you are on that level and only understand that level. But if one wants to be Awakened, wouldn't they want to move from that level, no matter what the teaching is. If the teaching comes from Krishna, the Buddha, Christ or the old drunk in the gutter, so what, ......

have you ever heard the expression , ...''everything is guru , but not everything is Guru quality '', ....?

so what, if we are truly ready we will ignite just like that.

actualy that capability for understanding is there all the time , it is just that it lays burried under too many layers of ego , expectation and striving .

Many believe they are on a path, they long for Enlightenment, they spend their whole life trying to reach a place where they are already, we cannot go anywhere else, the path, the journey is all constructed by the ego wanting to keep us on the path, to keep us praying, chanting and all the other practises. These are tricks made by the ego, the ego never wants to Awaken, it will dig its heals into your mind making us believe we are doing the right thing.[/ quote]

then drop it ! ...go on I dare you , no good talking about it go on give it a try , ..

I'm not saying I have all the answers, there is no true answer,

yes there is just drop the ego , drop the striving , drop the desire for enlightenment ,...

I realise that whatever I say had to come through the mind, therefore whatever we say no matter who say's it, it will be contaminated in some way by the mind.

simple , ...drop mind , ...

So what I am trying to say is that we need to stop and think, do we really want Enlightenment, or are we happy just being on the journey, or arguing over scripture trying to be right, when we will always be wrong.

well give it a try , just drop everything , stop trying to think , stop wanting to be happy , ...

So we need to listen to what others are saying, not to label them and discard them, you may never know what will be if you did listen.

Ahh , ..but I did listen , ... you just think that I did not listen , ...
and I did not label or discard you , ....I am still answering the points you raise , you just think that it must be my ego trying to prove some point , ...but these teachings that I was speaking of , ...if one truely has Faith , ...and one puts down the Ego and all this desire and striving stuff, ...then one finds one self on another level where things seem so much clearer , cleaner and infinately easier , ...realy it is very plesant .

having Faith isnt interlectualy going backwards to some lower level , having Faith is the first level of true awakening

 

[psychoslice]

Everything is certainly the Guru, don't miss it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Are you here to only hear what you want to hear ?

Were I, I would face no end of frustration.

I do enjoy spurring people when the circunstances are right, though.

I have to say, that you ask that is a bit predictable. I have learned such patterns some 15 or 20 years ago.

 

[psychoslice]

Were I, I would face no end of frustration.

I do enjoy spurring people when the circunstances are right, though.

I have to say, that you ask that is a bit predictable. I have learned such patterns some 15 or 20 years ago.

Sorry I don't understand what you mean ?.

 

[ratikala]

Everything is certainly the Guru, don't miss it.

if you write everything is 'The' Guru , ...then you have missed it

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yes that's my question, are we afraid to hear what we don't want to hear, this is what I feel, we have threads where we cannot go to unless we are part of that organized belief. Why be here in the first place if all you want to hear is your own beliefs. This to me is sad, how can we ever grow if all we ever hear is what we believe is true to us, all we are doing is feeding our ego, or treasured beliefs...........yes so sad.

Does that apply to atheists not believing in God also??