Are you homophobic?

[leibowde84]

I'm sorry, but I have been astounded by some of the unsubstantiated assumptions that some people in this forum have expressed in regards to same-sex marriage. They show an amount of prejudice and ignorance that really surprises me, especially when many of these people claim that they "have nothing against homosexuals". Here are some easy ways to determine whether you have "homophobic" tendencies.

1. If you say that "homosexuals who marry are more promiscuous than heterosexuals".
2. If you think that "homosexuals know the sinful nature of their lifestyle, but continue on out of selfishness".
3. If you claim that same-sex couples should not be able to adopt kids because they are unfit, even though the alternative is no parents at all.
4. If you think that homosexuals are not only hurting themselves, but casting a dark shadow on our entire society which will lead to divine retribution.
5. If you think that employers should be able to fire employees who are openly homosexual.

These all show intolerance and blind prejudice.

 

[Laika]

Would you have more respect for someone who was openly homophobic and actually willing to discuss and substanciate it?

 

[leibowde84]

Would you have more respect for someone who was openly homophobic and actually willing to discuss and substanciate it?

If they can substantiate it, I would argue that they aren't "homophobic". The term implies a lack of reasoned substantiation.

 

[Laika]

If they can substantiate it, I would argue that they aren't "homophobic". The term implies a lack of reasoned substantiation.

That raises an intresting question, as to whether a person who can substanciate it therefore has the right to discriminate. I'd like to say no but truth and knowledge is the basis for understanding what is right and wrong. it means the term homophobia attacks the irrationality of the belief rather than the act of discrimination itself.

 

[leibowde84]

That raises an intresting question, as to whether a person who can substanciate it therefore has the right to discriminate. I'd like to say no but truth and knowledge is the basis for understanding what is right and wrong. it means the term homophobia attacks the irrationality of the belief rather than the act of discrimination itself.

I agree. There is no "discrimination" necessary for one to be considered "homophobic". All that is necessary is unreasonable prejudice.

 

[Father Heathen]

If they can substantiate it, I would argue that they aren't "homophobic". The term implies a lack of reasoned substantiation.

But what homophobe acknowledges that their stance is irrational and unsubstantiated? In their own minds they're justified.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm sorry, but I have been astounded by some of the unsubstantiated assumptions that some people in this forum have expressed in regards to same-sex marriage. They show an amount of prejudice and ignorance that really surprises me, especially when many of these people claim that they "have nothing against homosexuals". Here are some easy ways to determine whether you have "homophobic" tendencies.

1. If you say that "homosexuals who marry are more promiscuous than heterosexuals".
2. If you think that "homosexuals know the sinful nature of their lifestyle, but continue on out of selfishness".
3. If you claim that same-sex couples should not be able to adopt kids because they are unfit, even though the alternative is no parents at all.
4. If you think that homosexuals are not only hurting themselves, but casting a dark shadow on our entire society which will lead to divine retribution.
5. If you think that employers should be able to fire employees who are openly homosexual.

These all show intolerance and blind prejudice.

It's no different than someone who is racist, they make it apparent by what they say and by what they do, but they always are quick to defend themselves by point out they have a black friend, or a white friend, or a friend of whatever color as if that is something that actually matters and absolves them displaying prejudice towards people of whatever skin color.

 

[leibowde84]

But what homophobe acknowledges that their stance is irrational and unsubstantiated? In their own minds they're justified.

Their own satisfaction isn't important. They still need solid reasoning, not merely the blind acceptance of someone else's reasoning.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It's no different than someone who is racist, they make it apparent by what they say and by what they do, but they always are quick to defend themselves by point out they have a black friend, or a white friend, or a friend of whatever color as if that is something that actually matters and absolves them displaying prejudice towards people of whatever skin color.

True.

Also, anyone who is offended if what they say is pointed out as homophobic, or transphobic, or biphobic, or racist, or sexist....these folks are absolutely sure they are NOT any of those things.

They just don't like gays and think they're disgusting, but how is that a "phobia"? (By their reasoning)

Or that their holy book says gay sex is disgusting and sinful and an abomination and they don't care at all about the ripple effect of violence and death such rhetoric does for LGBTQ people...their deity says they're disgusting and that's that. And that's not "homophobia". That's "truth". So gays die...too bad, but so what? (According to them)

One can tell what people really feel when the target group in question is brought up concerning violence, brutality, or death. I notice if there is ANY hint in their argument of how these people brought it on themselves in any way possible... Yes, they might be a _____ (homophobe, transphobe, biphobe, racist, sexist, etc) to some degree and be unaware of the bigotry in their views.

 

[Wirey]

True.

Also, anyone who is offended if what they say is pointed out as homophobic, or transphobic, or biphobic, or racist, or sexist....these folks are absolutely sure they are NOT any of those things.

They just don't like gays and think they're disgusting, but how is that a "phobia"? (By their reasoning)

Or that their holy book says gay sex is disgusting and sinful and an abomination and they don't care at all about the ripple effect of violence and death such rhetoric does for LGBTQ people...their deity says they're disgusting and that's that. And that's not "homophobia". That's "truth". So gays die...too bad, but so what? (According to them)

One can tell what people really feel when the target group in question is brought up concerning violence, brutality, or death. I notice if there is ANY hint in their argument of how these people brought it on themselves in any way possible... Yes, they might be a _____ (homophobe, transphobe, biphobe, racist, sexist, etc) to some degree and be unaware of the bigotry in their views.

Gay sex is disgusting. All those sweaty, muscular men, writhing on the floor, touching each other's firm, rippling bodies.... OOOHHH! Excuse me, I need a cigarette. What was I saying? Oh, yeah, Jesus loves you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course, I am not homophopic...here are some more:

6. If you believe intimacy between married gay couples will always be lust
7. That you are okay with men holding guns but not holding hands
8. That all gay/lesbian/bi people lust while straight people love
9. To say you love gays but dont love who they love and their love in itself
10. To call gays "the gays" and not people
11. Saying gay marriage is unhealthy for their child (yet adoption with straiht parents is so much better)
12. To assume straight people as a whole can shoot a gun at war better than gay militants
13. To dictate another persons relationship by your Gods definition rather asking the couple how they define their own
14. Afraid to support your friend at a gay wedding for fear you are supporting gay marriage rather than your friend
15. Believing you will turn gay by having "gay sex"
16. Defining homosexuality by behavior and heterosexuality by orientation (even though they both address the biological sexuality of a person)

I can go on...

I'm sorry, but I have been astounded by some of the unsubstantiated assumptions that some people in this forum have expressed in regards to same-sex marriage. They show an amount of prejudice and ignorance that really surprises me, especially when many of these people claim that they "have nothing against homosexuals". Here are some easy ways to determine whether you have "homophobic" tendencies.

1. If you say that "homosexuals who marry are more promiscuous than heterosexuals".
2. If you think that "homosexuals know the sinful nature of their lifestyle, but continue on out of selfishness".
3. If you claim that same-sex couples should not be able to adopt kids because they are unfit, even though the alternative is no parents at all.
4. If you think that homosexuals are not only hurting themselves, but casting a dark shadow on our entire society which will lead to divine retribution.
5. If you think that employers should be able to fire employees who are openly homosexual.

These all show intolerance and blind prejudice.

 

[The Hammer]

It's no different than someone who is racist, they make it apparent by what they say and by what they do, but they always are quick to defend themselves by point out they have a black friend, or a white friend, or a friend of whatever color as if that is something that actually matters and absolves them displaying prejudice towards people of whatever skin color.

Sounds like my Dad... Lol

 

[Akivah]

Here are some easy ways to determine whether you have "homophobic" tendencies.

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No

I passed. I'm not homophobic and don't show intolerance or blind prejudice. I'm just against homosexual marriage.

 

[Wirey]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No

I passed. I'm not homophobic and don't show intolerance or blind prejudice. I'm just against homosexual marriage.

Why?

 

[leibowde84]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No

I passed. I'm not homophobic and don't show intolerance or blind prejudice. I'm just against homosexual marriage.

So, you don't agree with any of the arguments I cited?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No

I passed. I'm not homophobic and don't show intolerance or blind prejudice. I'm just against homosexual marriage.

I wouldnt call you homophobic, not a good word. Disagreeing with gay marriage is not just the marriage but the people involved. Without the people, no marriage.

Id say all of it connects: marriage, people, consumation, God (if believers), and a ring if they like. Cant agree with who they are if who they are is the marriage bond between another person regardless of gender.

I know its your faith; and, no offense, I find placing ones faith over people is like killing others (I know, extreme) in the name of ones faith.

There has to be a line between how we see others in relations to what our faith teaches.

My opinion.

 

[Akivah]

Why?

Because leibowde84 set the definitions. I just answered them.

 

[Akivah]

So, you don't agree with any of the arguments I cited?

I answered No to all your questions. By your own definitions, I'm not homophobic. Are you now disagreeing with yourself?

Maybe you should have just said, 'anyone that opposes same sex marriage is homophobic'.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I can find plenty of reasons to dislike just about anyone without bringing their sexual habits into it all.

 

[leibowde84]

I answered No to all your questions. By your own definitions, I'm not homophobic. Are you now disagreeing with yourself?

Maybe you should have just said, 'anyone that opposes same sex marriage is homophobic'.

I don't think that being against same-sex marriage necessarily makes one homophobic, so that wouldn't make much sense. Also, what questions were you referring to?