Our opinions differ. Where does the boundary lie?
We do differ. I was thinking, there has to be a line where we put others in relations to our own beliefs. It is like killing others in the name of their faith. Yes, we have a right to our own faiths but not to the point (verbal or action) of going beyond expressing opinion but (this is more the Church end) pushing one's morals on those who disagree. (Sounds like a Hitler situation)
What is the reasoning of putting God over people--even the people we love?
The confusing this to me is, why would anyone believe in a God that would tell them to put Him over the people He created? I asked my friend, one time, would she give up her family for God; she couldn't answer. However, her friends and strangers, she could. What is keeping her from sacrificing herself for other people even if it means sacrificing her life to the harsh hands of God? It is a sense of homophobia, if the example was about homosexuality; and, I find it unhealthy in anyone's spiritual walk.
I agree what Abrahamic faiths say about marriage; and I disagree with what they say about it.
I do agree, according to Abrahamic religions only, that marriage is between man and woman; and, I disagree. I disagree because many people are married and they are chaste in that marriage. Some people cannot have children and others
don't want to have children. Yet, they (all because of what's in between their legs) have God's blessings to be married.
Transsexuals and gay people: What we are compared to Who we are.
It is like transsexual individuals. If a transsexual (man who is a female) wants to marry a female, because he is a female, he would be denied that marriage. Not because he could be abusive. Not because after marriage counseling, maybe he isn't ready with his to-be wife to have a marriage. No. God forbids this marriage because of
what He is not
who He is.
Do you understand where I am coming from? (List of questions in relation to this)
I mean, even though we disagree, do you understand where I am coming from?
Do you understand that God is literally telling you that two people are not in marital love because of their sex?
Do you see that God is telling you that gay people do not have the ability to form a committed relationship in which marriage is the next step within it?
Do you see the discriminating nature in which God sees things? Or are humans so low on the scale that they are not considered anything unless it agrees with a "specific" God (for example, not Ordin, not the Wiccan God)?
I mean, I can be Christian all I want and still disagree with God. I disagree And I can be Christian. My opinion on marriage will never reflect God; but, because He is God, if I were still Christian, I had no choice in the matter.
Do you see that you can (if you could see it this way) still have a view towards same-sex marriage because it is granting two people marital rights blessed by God AND still disagree not because it is Your choice but because of Gods?
Love and marriage=gender breaks God's Laws?
I never thought love between two people and marriage can break God's Laws. I always thought, God in general--not a specific religion's God--or say, the Creator to make it general, would not compare love to murder, lust, adultery, etc.
Segregated Love
The way the Abrahamic God is set up makes God view only One type of love and that love is only expressed by One set of people--male and female. (Reminds me of the Holocaust and Hitler, honestly)
The only thing that dictates love as a sin is gender. Nothing more. That is terrible.
The eyes of the Creator (any-not specifically one faith)
A Creator, in general, created all people with the ability to love
anyone and form a committed relationship with
anyone and continue that relationship in marriage to death do they part for
anyone. I don't see the connection how this is related to murder.
Actually, yes. I don't see how this (above) is related to murder at all.
How does same-sex marriage relate to murder?
We can say it's against God's Law, yes.
However, there is no logic in the connection just a commandment stuck in mid air.
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Anyway....thank you for reading all this. You don't have to comment on everything.
I just find it terrible that anyone would put down gay marriage as if gender all of the sudden rids that person of God's blessings and his or her right, because he or she is God's creation, to have the choice in the sacrament of marriage. Horrible.
As you know, my opinion differs from yours Carlita.
Yes, everything connects. G-d gave us Laws that binds everything together. I find that abandoning G-d's Laws leads people to death. Most of our crimes and injustices come from that. No good comes from doing things how we want to do them in opposition to the Laws.
I do agree that some people display attraction for members of the same sex. The solution is not for them to be bound in a play-action in opposition to G-d's Laws. The solution is for them to deal with their disability, just like a person born without a limb must do. We don't know why people get specific challenges from G-d. We only know that people should do their best to deal with 'the hands that they've been dealt' to the best of their ability in accordance with G-d's Laws.
There is no need for a solution if there was no discrimination
There is no solution when there is no discrimination pressed against them to act and choose partners they do not love because they have the
right sex. They wouldn't need to find solutions if their marriage was accepted with the blessings of the God (Christian, Jewish, Wiccan, whoever), they--both people--believe in. They should not have to be challenged to be allowed to love until death do they part. They shouldn't have to be oppressed.
Solutions we have because of discrimination include
Their solutions are the rallies and advocates so that homosexuals can have the
rights free of discrimination regardless if their opponents disagree. It's more about their rights rather than trying to put down people who don't share their views. Their right to freedom that is not against the law; not murder, not lust, not adultery. Their right to be free from harm (Harm anywhere from physical to verbal abuse). They fought for rights to fight in the military, as if gay people can't shoot straight (no pun intended)
However, straights are misinterpreting why homosexuals fight and what rights they are actually fighting for not against.
It is not about their rights to have same-sex sex. That is given to people who are in commited relationships blessed by God. The thing is, homosexuals are crying for rights for a lot of things but straight people think they are crying just to have same-sex intimacy rights. Actually, some gay people disagree with same-sex marriage. Some remain chaste because their faith is more important than the sacrament of marriage. Which is in itself sooo sad.
Also.
Homosexuality is not a challenge unless the other party verbally or physically intrudes on their religious and/or legal rights to marry the person they love.
How is homosexuality a challenge to them? The only challenge I personally have is against people who dictate my love based on their beliefs. People have been beat up because of who they are. If everyone was accept to who people are, we would not see challenges in wanting to love someone to death do they part. That wanting to be part of the sacrament of marriage and share in God's blessings is only a challenge when that choice is denied by those who
only disagree.
I have a lot of feelings about this. I could write a whole book, but like these forum posts, if it's too long, who would read it?
Que Sera Sera.
