Are you more liberal or conservative?

[VioletVortex]

I don't think I understand your position at all.

How can you be in favor of heavy government restriction on the market and be a libertarian?

What does nationalism have to do with social conservatism?

What is the "general mentality" of liberals that you oppose?

My views on things like marijuana, abortion, gun control, free speech etc. are very libertarian. The liberal party used to be of some value decades ago, however, over the last few years, it's been degrading into "beta leftism". Also, these people value destructive ideals such as globalism and "progress". The world has limited resources, there is no way we can continue to progress. We should embrace the fall of civilization "the end of the world" as most put it.

Nationalism is both a form of military and social conservatism. It's social in that it advocates the restoration and protection of a nation's culture and ideals, and military in that it advocates the militaristic protection of a country.

 

[VioletVortex]

Hillary is center-right.

Hillary is a moderate authoritarian centrist. Probably ever so slightly left. Obama was slightly more left and libertarian than her, and Trump is probably in the center of the right hand quadrant of the political compass.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hillary is a moderate authoritarian centrist. Probably ever so slightly left. Obama was slightly more left and libertarian than her, and Trump is probably in the center of the right hand quadrant of the political compass.

Hilary Clinton could only ever be seen as "slightly left" in the United States.

Trump leans towards the fascist quadrant of the political compass, though he wavers around a bit depending on who he last spoke to or who just pissed him off.

 

[columbus]

Hilary Clinton could only ever be seen as "slightly left" in the United States.

Hillary was the conservative choice in 2016.

Sanders was a liberal flavor of progressive.
Trump was a conservative flavor of progressive.
Both had strong authoritarian streaks. As is usual from progressives.

Kasich would have been a slightly more conservative choice than Clinton, but both of them were planning to keep things mostly the same with small tweaks to the status quo. That's conservative in my book.
Tom

 

[VioletVortex]

Hilary Clinton could only ever be seen as "slightly left" in the United States.

Trump leans towards the fascist quadrant of the political compass, though he wavers around a bit depending on who he last spoke to or who just pissed him off.

The United States is of what I would call a "hijacked right wing" political atmosphere. That means that our ideal of centrism is slightly to the right of the global one, so yes, Hillary would be considered "slightly left" here. There is nothing to support Trump being anywhere near the fascist end of the spectrum. He has some authoritarian views on social and moral issues, but still, he is far from being fascist. A fascist is essentially a monarch who oversees smaller areas of government.

 

[idav]

The United States is of what I would call a "hijacked right wing" political atmosphere. That means that our ideal of centrism is slightly to the right of the global one, so yes, Hillary would be considered "slightly left" here. There is nothing to support Trump being anywhere near the fascist end of the spectrum. He has some authoritarian views on social and moral issues, but still, he is far from being fascist. A fascist is essentially a monarch who oversees smaller areas of government.

Out of curiosity, how exactly is trump oppposed to fascism, being authoritarian and all.

 

[VioletVortex]

Out of curiosity, how exactly is trump oppposed to fascism, being authoritarian and all.

He is only moderately authoritarian. Fascism is the highly authoritarian political philosophy of one leader controlling most of the government. Mussolini started the movement in attempt to bring back the Roman Empire in its Golden Age. There are good fascists and bad fascists.

Trump is a mix between a democrat, a republican, an oligarch, and a theocrat. Primarily, he is an oligarch, meaning he wants the country ruled by a small group of rich people, and truthfully, it already is.

 

[VioletVortex]

According to the Political Compass and Political Spectrum tests, I am more on the libertarian side of liberal than anything.

 

[columbus]

Trump is a mix between a democrat, a republican, an oligarch, and a theocrat. Primarily, he is an oligarch, meaning he wants the country ruled by a small group of rich people, and truthfully, it already is.

It is. Voting for Trump was a vote in favor of that, IMNSHO. At least Clinton was taking Sanders supporters into account. It's the only politically realistic explanation for her giving him a shot in the primaries. That, and she knew he would lose.

There are good fascists and bad fascists.

Could you explain what you mean by this? My understanding is that fascism amounts to using some exclusive ideology to gain political power. You must mean something else.
Tom

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you more liberal or conservative?

I'm less of both.

I make a determination on each thing I'm presented with, separately, based on context, my knowledge and experience, and other factors, at the time. Sometimes my views change over time, and sometimes I acknowledge that there are relevant, valid competing factors. This type of approach isn't generally compatible with simplistic labels or ideologies, or politics in general. Which is why I don't find it all that interesting or compelling - at least not for the reasons that most people do, anyway.

 

[VioletVortex]

It is. Voting for Trump was a vote in favor of that, IMNSHO. At least Clinton was taking Sanders supporters into account. It's the only politically realistic explanation for her giving him a shot in the primaries. That, and she knew he would lose.


Could you explain what you mean by this? My understanding is that fascism amounts to using some exclusive ideology to gain political power. You must mean something else.
Tom

Hillary, though not a very accomplished politician, was at least an independent leader, rather than a puppet employed by a capitalistic oligarchy. I used to think Trump was better, but his recent actions make me question it.

As I said, fascism originated in Italy as a revival of Roman Imperialism. There can be good emperors, and that is better than having a good democrat, and there can be bad ones, and that is horrible due to the amount of power they are given. To be clear, I am not a fascist.

 

[gnomon]

I'm just wondering how much the liberals outnumber conservatives at this forum.

I'm just wondering how much the liberals outnumber conservatives at this forum.

Another stupid and useless question.

I wonder why so many entertain this nonsense.

Love the useless graphics. Only shows the absolute stupidity of this question.

 

[VioletVortex]

Another stupid and useless question.

I wonder why so many entertain this nonsense.

Love the useless graphics. Only shows the absolute stupidity of this question.

The graphics sort of make it seem like it is being assumed that everyone falls into this political dichotomy.