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Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Are you

  • pro-life

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • pro-choice

    Votes: 19 76.0%

  • Total voters
    25

McBell

Unbound
Abortion is a tremendously complicated issue, and when it comes right down to it, I don't see how a bunch of remote elites, sitting in legislatures hundreds or thousands of miles away from the person "on the ground", are in a better position to wisely weigh the circumstances of the woman who is thinking about abortion than is the woman herself. What do they know about her situation that she herself doesn't know? Nothing. What does she know about her situation that they themselves do not know? Practically everything.
A perfect example...
Though I am not for abortion as birth control, I understand that there are situations where I would not be against and perhaps even a few situations where I would be for an abortion.

Thus the reason I believe it should be a womans choice, not the governments.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
From the materialist perspective I don't understand why apparent person-hood enters the equation.

If the fetus is declared to be a 'person', separate from the mother, in its own right, then it is under the protection of the Constitution.
 

McBell

Unbound
If the fetus is declared to be a 'person', separate from the mother, in its own right, then it is under the protection of the Constitution.
Then perhaps pro-lifers should work to get it passed that feti are to be persons....

It would go so much further than what they have been doing so far
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe abortion destroys the potential for someone to exist but does not kill anyone. It is not the same thing. I do not believe that abortion should be legally considered a murder, and I do not believe it is appropriate for pro-life activists to accuse abortionists of murder.
 

Phil25

Active Member
Pro-Choice. Abortion should be provided by private agencies and there should be no governmental restrictions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I wasn't so much trying to start a big debate, just curious if the forum is more pro-life or pro-choice, so if you fill in the bubble that most applies to you, I appreciate it :)

It's really hard for me to answer this question, because while I think abortion is the killing of a human being, I wish I had been aborted and I can think of lots of other people that should have been aborted. I literally do not know whether I'm pro-life or pro-choice.

Sometimes abortion is evil and deprives the world of a decent human being. Other times abortion spares us some miserable **** without a Father figure, who would spread more misery. Sometimes abortion can spare a woman a lot of pain. Sometimes abortion can cause a woman a lifetime of pain and regret as well. It's complicated!


We all will die.

I asked myself these questions:

How is age a factor in the moral of saving a life versus taking it?

What a child will not survive 90% chance but he mother is in perfect health, would you take its life or like my friend who is blind, had a stroke as an infant, cognitive heart disease, and a happy catholic qith two loving parents, a boyfriend, alfive raindeers and a christmas tree....who decides the chances on who Actually lives or dies?

Since life doesnt work in our favor, I dont see how being pro choice will help other than give he mother life for another probably thirty years while depriving that child at lease a day to breathe.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
If the fetus is declared to be a 'person', separate from the mother, in its own right, then it is under the protection of the Constitution.
Then maybe, if the mother doesn't want this "separate from the mother" fetus, it can go live somewhere else? (That sounds facetious and cruel, but is not meant to be -- it is meant to demonstrate how difficult a problem it might be for the Constitution to be so amended.)
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
I have a personal stance and then I have a public stance. My public stance is a little less lenient as I realize that it's more practical to get what you want if you ask for less. Personally I don't object to any abortion, period. I have no personal moral or religious objection. Realistically, understanding how politics works enough to know that kind of attitude won't fly, I advocate for completely open abortions up until the point of viability (whatever point that is for the average healthy fetus, and without medical assistance. Even if a fetus would need medical help after that point, they're still subjected to it, as it's the established biological "line" between independence and dependence). Disclaimer: I'm not having the best day, so I'm not responding to any debate prompts here, I'm just throwing my stance out there for the sake of it.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Well the constitution is not a moral authority and is far from a proper guideline of how things should be done.

But it is the Constitution that has and may continue to decide whether abortion remains legal. It is what it is. Aside of the Constitution, if genuine pro-lifers want to reduce the numbers of abortion a good place to start is eliminating some of the reasons some seek abortion as their only option; economic, demanding just wages etc.
 
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