Are you Smart enough to go to Heaven????

[Bird123]

If you step off a high rise building, the fact is that you are going to fall, regardless of how you feel about it. At one time, science said it was a fact that the atom was the smallest part of an element. They had their facts incomplete. Truth is more closely tied to belief than it is to fact. When Pilate asked, "What is truth?" it was a clue. Was Jesus "King of the Jews?" What did the facts show? What did people believe? The truth is borne out in how people acted, based upon their belief. The "fact" was that Jesus was not "King of the Jews." The truth was that Jesus is "King of the Jews." Otherwise, Xy would never have gotten off the ground, and would not be the largest religion in the world.

Truth is not tied completely to Beliefs simply because beliefs are not always true. Truth and facts are the same. The way people choose to act based upon a belief is a fact they acted that way. It does not confirm the belief was truth or a fact.

Fact and Truth: Simply because Xy got off the ground and is the largest religion in the world does not mean what the religion tells you is the truth or are facts. It's the truth they are telling you what they believe to be true.

Why do you think religion teaches people to value faith and believing? It's because that is all they really have. People follow beliefs because much of it is what they want to hear but mostly because the Discovery of the Real Truth takes much much more work than simply hearing a story and accepting it.

As I see it. God places knowledge around us all. It waits to be Discovered. It's never been about believing and accepting. It's about Knowing.

Ask yourself. Do you want your children to merely believe or do you want them to KNOW???

 

[sojourner]

Truth is not tied completely to Beliefs simply because beliefs are not always true. Truth and facts are the same. The way people choose to act based upon a belief is a fact they acted that way. It does not confirm the belief was truth or a fact.

Fact and Truth: Simply because Xy got off the ground and is the largest religion in the world does not mean what the religion tells you is the truth or are facts. It's the truth they are telling you what they believe to be true.

Why do you think religion teaches people to value faith and believing? It's because that is all they really have. People follow beliefs because much of it is what they want to hear but mostly because the Discovery of the Real Truth takes much much more work than simply hearing a story and accepting it.

As I see it. God places knowledge around us all. It waits to be Discovered. It's never been about believing and accepting. It's about Knowing.

Ask yourself. Do you want your children to merely believe or do you want them to KNOW???

Of course it’s about knowing. But knowing goes beyond a simple apprehension of facts to an embodiment of what facts show. Truth implies a direction taken — an action — an embodiment. If something is “true,” it’s on the mark. A projectile that is “true” is one that does not deviate from its target. It embodies its trajectory. That is truth, as opposed to fact.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When one understands all sides, intelligence will make the best choices.

The best choice for whom? Some intelligent people make the best choice in consideration to others. Some intelligent people make the best choice in regards to themselves.

With the many variables of a person, there is a lot to learn and experience. Further, adding the many lifetimes of learning and things are complex. There is one thing I do know. Our every choice tells God and the world what we know and what we need to learn. Since many people are concerned with only themselves, their narrow vision will see none of this.

So, in other words, you don't know how I live or what lessons I have learned.

 

[Bird123]

The best choice for whom? Some intelligent people make the best choice in consideration to others. Some intelligent people make the best choice in regards to themselves.

So, in other words, you don't know how I live or what lessons I have learned.

When one Loves Unconditionally, they do what is best for the other. This will end up being the best choice for the one who chooses to Love Unconditionally. Those who give will get much more than those that take in the long run.

No, I do not know everything about you. My view is limited. Besides people have many things to learn simply because there is so much to learn. I could not keep up with everything.

You can see keeping up with it all, along with setting the parameters in people's lives, guiding them in their education makes the dynamics amazing. It also shows the Intellect of the designer.

 

[Bird123]

Of course it’s about knowing. But knowing goes beyond a simple apprehension of facts to an embodiment of what facts show. Truth implies a direction taken — an action — an embodiment. If something is “true,” it’s on the mark. A projectile that is “true” is one that does not deviate from its target. It embodies its trajectory. That is truth, as opposed to fact.

In that case everyone is TRUE.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When one Loves Unconditionally, they do what is best for the other. This will end up being the best choice for the one who chooses to Love Unconditionally. Those who give will get much more than those that take in the long run.

Unconditional love has nothing to do with intelligence and isn't related to it. As for "those who give more," why are the great takers not the great losers? Pharmacy executives who jack up the price of a medication by 1000% aren't going to be losing out. That's the world we live in. It isn't fair, caring, and there is no balance of justice.

You can see keeping up with it all, along with setting the parameters in people's lives, guiding them in their education makes the dynamics amazing. It also shows the Intellect of the designer.

That feels incredibly patronizing. And taking it upon yourself to "set the parameters" is incredibly arrogant. It shows not intellect, but a seriously off putting case of "I know better than you."

 

[sojourner]

In that case everyone is TRUE.

YES! He gets it! Everyone, at her or his center of being, is true. Because everyone has her or his being because of Spirit.

 

[Bird123]

Unconditional love has nothing to do with intelligence and isn't related to it. As for "those who give more," why are the great takers not the great losers? Pharmacy executives who jack up the price of a medication by 1000% aren't going to be losing out. That's the world we live in. It isn't fair, caring, and there is no balance of justice.

That feels incredibly patronizing. And taking it upon yourself to "set the parameters" is incredibly arrogant. It shows not intellect, but a seriously off putting case of "I know better than you."

You do not understand. I am not the one setting the parameters. God is doing that per your request.

Your view of the Pharmacy Executives is very narrow. In time, their choices will return to them. There is no single lifetime limit on learning.

 

[Bird123]

YES! He gets it! Everyone, at her or his center of being, is true. Because everyone has her or his being because of Spirit.

His or her being because of Spirit???? We are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. We are installed in these physical bodies.

I was saying everyone's path is true regardless of their choices because we will all end up at the same place regardless of the path we choose. Everyone's path is True.

 

[sojourner]

His or her being because of Spirit???? We are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. We are installed in these physical bodies.

I was saying everyone's path is true regardless of their choices because we will all end up at the same place regardless of the path we choose. Everyone's path is True.

Absolutely. Everyone finds her or his own path.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You do not understand. I am not the one setting the parameters. God is doing that per your request.

I didn't request god to establish any parameters. As far as I'm concerned, god can butt out of human doings.

Your view of the Pharmacy Executives is very narrow. In time, their choices will return to them. There is no single lifetime limit on learning.

That's the problem with such beliefs. You believe they are punished in some next life, but they aren't. Many murderous Nazis lived to a ripe old age and died comfortably at home. That is the world we live in.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I think the question is -
are you smart enough to see that the Bible does NOT say anyone goes to Heaven? Heaven is God's home. He is sending His son Jesus to establish a kingdom ON EARTH for those who are willing to follow His rules. If you do not agree then quote one verse from the Bible that promises heaven to those who believe.

 

[Muffled]

I’ve heard it so many times that all a person has to do to go to Heaven is to believe in God or follow some religion’s beliefs. Does mere Belief make something true?

OK, say all the believers make it to Heaven. How long would it take for the first fight to start? Do people really think simply because they have paradise that they won’t be who they really are?

Some say God will change people so they won’t fight. If that were the truth, why didn’t God change them in the first place, then believing would not matter? It doesn’t add up.

As I see it, the answer is simple. In order to be able to exist in a Heavenly state with people, one must be smart enough to Understand and Live what it takes. One must Understand the petty things that would make Heaven not possible.



One cannot hate for any reason. People are different physically, mentally, and personality. Have you learned the Value of these differences instead of hating them?



One cannot control or intimidate others. Have you learned the Value of allowing others to be themselves with total freedom of choice? I think control is a big one. Seems everybody wants to rule the world. Everyone wants others their way.



Being self-centered and selfish could never generate a Heavenly state. In a Heavenly state, there must be love. Have you learned Unconditional Love is the only way? Unconditional Love always does what is best for the other. It’s not always easy to value others above all else. Have you learned to do this today?



Have you learned to let go of the petty things like hating, controlling, ruling, selfishness, greed, anger, wrath, blaming, condemning, judging, coercing, intimidating, lying and cheating? Have you learned enough and lived enough to understand one must let these petty things go?

Are you ready for Heaven? How many people are ready? Yes, as I see it, there is a long way to go. On the other hand, given enough time, lessons, and lives, I think we will all make it to Heaven.



So what do you think? It has nothing to do with Beliefs. It’s simple Math!



Are you smart enough to go to Heaven? Maybe not yet, but will be in time.

I believe many people think that but I have my doubts.

I believe not. If all I had to do was believe then I would be able to levitate objects but I am not able.

I believe God will only eliminate those evil tendencies if the person is willing to allow Him to do it. That is basically what the Paraclete is all about in Christianity.

I believe I am who I am without the evil tendencies when there.

I believe I have never seen a requirement for intelligence only one for willingness.

I believe I was there and like it here better but sometimes need a rest from evil and Heaven supplies that. I will be very happy to have the Kingdom come where I can have physical life and the absence of evil also.

 

[Muffled]

It's bad enough having to play golf with Jesus and God every other Thursday, let alone, spending eternity doting on their insecurities. I have no use, whatsoever, for any heaven.

I believe you are not likely to get something you don't want.

 

[YmirGF]

I believe you are not likely to get something you don't want.

We are in agreement. Most of the time one does not get what they do not want... unless you are a stupid criminal and break into a cop car in front of a doughnut shop.

 

[Muffled]

It's not a matter of use. It's a matter of intelligence and having learned what are the very best choices to make. When one discovers what the very best choices are, they can't help but find themselves in Heaven through their own creation.

Yes, I'm afraid Golf is not one of my talents either. I seem to have to take twice as many shots as everyone else.

I believe that is like saying I can turn myself into a cat by drawing a picture of a cat. I don't believe it works.

I believe I take half as many more but the score is still obscene. I take it you were exaggerating.

 

[Muffled]

We are in agreement. Most of the time one does not get what they do not want... unless you are a stupid criminal and break into a cop car in front of a doughnut shop.

I believe on the other hand you might not want hell either but all you have to do is nothing to get there.

 

[YmirGF]

I believe on the other hand you might not want hell either but all you have to do is nothing to get there.

When we meet on the other side, we'll see who has the last laugh. (I'll be happy to show you around.)

 

[Bird123]

I didn't request god to establish any parameters. As far as I'm concerned, god can butt out of human doings.

That's the problem with such beliefs. You believe they are punished in some next life, but they aren't. Many murderous Nazis lived to a ripe old age and died comfortably at home. That is the world we live in.

You do not remember your request to God simply because remembering your interaction of that moment would intimidate the choices within the framework of your lessons. It will all come together and you will remember it all after this physical life is completed.

You do not understand me. No one is Punished by God for anything they do. God returns our actions back to us to teach us what our choices really mean. When one understands all sides, intelligence will make the best choices. Further, returning our actions back also teaches us to Love Unconditionally. After all, that is what everyone wants to return. Our good actions also return to teach.

People can choose some very hard lessons for themselves. Hating others for their bad choices only serves to hurt ourselves and those around us. I think it's better to work at solving the real problems to help prevent others from making those same bad choices.

 

[Bird123]

I believe many people think that but I have my doubts.

I believe not. If all I had to do was believe then I would be able to levitate objects but I am not able.

I believe God will only eliminate those evil tendencies if the person is willing to allow Him to do it. That is basically what the Paraclete is all about in Christianity.

I believe I am who I am without the evil tendencies when there.

I believe I have never seen a requirement for intelligence only one for willingness.

I believe I was there and like it here better but sometimes need a rest from evil and Heaven supplies that. I will be very happy to have the Kingdom come where I can have physical life and the absence of evil also.

We are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. You are not going to want to drag that physical body around with you. It supplies too many limitations.

Evil Tendencies??? What do you think causes Evil Tendencies?? Isn't it no more than the lack of knowledge which makes evil no longer a viable choice simply because it is not the best choice?

Requirements for intelligence?? There are no requirements, laws or rules. It's only when one has this wisdom are they able to create Heaven for themselves.