Aren't we all agnostic?

[Alitheia Aylso]

I consider my 'beliefs' to be atheistic, in terms of believing in the existence of a deity/deities, because there is no proof. But, I'm open to the possibilities that could lurk beyond the surface. My question is, aren't we all agnostic, for none of us has knowledge if a god exists or not? None of us can prove or disprove the existence of a deity, yes?

What do you think? I wrestle with this from time to time.

As far as Knowledge goes we are all Agnostic. There is no way to definitely disprove the existence of deities outside of our own minds. The most we can do is disprove certain religions who claim to know what the deity(ies) in question are and how they function.

As far as Belief some have fooled themselves into such Logical Fallacies and Circular Logic loops that they have deluded themselves away from the truth. Reasonable people will admit that they are not 100% for certain about their ideas of the Divine. Both Atheist and Theist alike know that they are dealing with belief. One just happens to be much more likely than another.

 

[cambridge79]

I consider my 'beliefs' to be atheistic, in terms of believing in the existence of a deity/deities, because there is no proof. But, I'm open to the possibilities that could lurk beyond the surface. My question is, aren't we all agnostic, for none of us has knowledge if a god exists or not? None of us can prove or disprove the existence of a deity, yes?

What do you think? I wrestle with this from time to time.

I did exactly the opposite. I considered myself an agnostic because it felt more honest.
Than i realize that rejecting all the canonical gods lives you in front of the idea of a god wich properties are unknown and unknowable. At that point who cares?
Can you please him? No
Can you know him? No
Can you search him? No
Therefore I now consider me atheist.

i'm definitely an atheist in the regards of the gods presented by religions, same as you i imagine ( otherwise you'll be christian, or muslim or whatever ) .
Can a general concept of god exist? maybe. I can't rule him out completely because is logically impossible. If he decided not to show himself that would lead to the absurd result that the absence of evidences of god is the evidence that god exists.
But how do i know this is not something i'm just making up myself? therefore being atheist in the end feels now more honest to me than being agnostic.

 

[LimeDragon99]

Well when you think about it no one can really prove any religion or spiritual belief to be 100% real, but we can't 100% prove that there isn't anything else and there is nothing, so yes, we are all Agnostic on the inside, because we don't really know for sure.

 

[Jabar]

Agnostic people are doubters and skeptics. In terms of concept of God and his existence the best way to know is just logic. If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same.

The Qur'an has many scientific evidences that have been approved of by modern science. Today's society has blinded people.

 

[Ouroboros]

I consider my 'beliefs' to be atheistic, in terms of believing in the existence of a deity/deities, because there is no proof. But, I'm open to the possibilities that could lurk beyond the surface. My question is, aren't we all agnostic, for none of us has knowledge if a god exists or not? None of us can prove or disprove the existence of a deity, yes?

What do you think? I wrestle with this from time to time.

Agree. Also, what you are depends on how you personally define and think of what "God" is. God is a description or word that's very personal to everyone. And not everyone has the same idea or concept of what it is. Also, over time, you're own view and definition might change.

 

[LimeDragon99]

The Qur'an has many scientific evidences that have been approved of by modern science. Today's society has blinded people.

Just about every religious book has at least one scientific fact to be honest, even the ancient Egyptians Greeks and Romans know many things we considered scientific fact, hell, even the Germanic tribes and Native American tribes knew a few things, and those were tribesmen. The thing is we can't rely on what one book or one religion says just because they knew a few scientific facts, and we can't rely on only pure scientific facts to prove there is a higher power or multiple as well as a afterlife or none, that's why we are all pretty much Agnostic on the inside, because we really don't know until we see for ourselves.

Agnostic people are doubters and skeptics.

Agnostics are people who believe that there is no good way to determine if there is really a god, multiple gods, or no god at all as well as if there is a afterlife or not, because we can't rely on one primary source and one religion to tell us what is and what is not, but also don't doubt and say it is a possibility at the same time.

 

[Jabar]

@LimeDragon99 Not one, there are many many.

 

[Willamena]

My question is, aren't we all agnostic, for none of us has knowledge if a god exists or not? None of us can prove or disprove the existence of a deity, yes?

What do you think? I wrestle with this from time to time.

The question has a built-in presumption that agnosticism is about whether god exists or not. That's not agnostic. From what I've read about it, agnosticism is about truth values ("true" and "false") and whether we can know them.

So, no, we are not all agnostic. Truth values are unavoidable except in very few instances, such as in the question of god's non-existence for some. It's the case that there can be no "true" or "false" about the issue when it's a case because of a) god's absence, b) god's essential nature to some, and c) the status of what it means "to know" a thing. Not all of those apply to everyone or in every instance.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Agnostic people are doubters and skeptics. In terms of concept of God and his existence the best way to know is just logic. If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same.

The Qur'an has many scientific evidences that have been approved of by modern science. Today's society has blinded people.

Notwithstanding the fact that I refute this, this is the agnostic DIR, so unless you're renouncing Islam, these sort of posts aren't appropriate in this particular part of the boards.
Cheers.

 

[Deidre]

Pre-returning to Christianty days...I forgot I posted this thread. lol

 

[Jumi]

If we find a new object that no one in the world has ever seen before, then no one is it's manufacturer, because we would have at least the person who made it who had seen it before.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

@LimeDragon99 Not one, there are many many.

Why are you in this DIR?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Why are you in this DIR?

Already mentioned that to him earlier and he's stayed out since. Tagging him back in seems...unproductive.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Already mentioned that to him earlier and he's stayed out since. Tagging him back in seems...unproductive.

Sorry, did not see the time till just now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would say only those who are confident, secure, and comfortable in their ignorance are agnostic. Theists and atheists claim to have knowledge, but agnosticism isn't a claim or assertion of truth, but a simple statement of "I don't know."

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I would say only those who are confident, secure, and comfortable in their ignorance are agnostic. Theists and atheists claim to have knowledge, but agnosticism isn't a claim or assertion of truth, but a simple statement of "I don't know."

Not necessarily.

I agnostic because I know I do not know for certain.

But I am an atheist because based on what we do know there is not a deity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not necessarily.

I agnostic because I know I do not know for certain.

But I am an atheist because based on what we do know there is not a deity.

What exactly do we know? We don't even know if there is other intelligent life in the universe, and we don't even know exactly how big the universe is. Even the Big Bang is being challenged by some, people who are proposing entirely different mathematical alternatives to the Big Bang. And for what it's worth, we don't even know how life actually got started here, or what "brought" the "ingredients for life" to this planet. There is so much that we don't know, so much of which is even a core part of our very being, and the nature of our very planet, that it seems nothing more than being presumption to claim we know much of anything.
Personally, I'd much rather just leave the gaps blank and held by ignorance rather than filled by knowledge that we do not currently have.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

What exactly do we know? We don't even know if there is other intelligent life in the universe, and we don't even know exactly how big the universe is. Even the Big Bang is being challenged by some, people who are proposing entirely different mathematical alternatives to the Big Bang. And for what it's worth, we don't even know how life actually got started here, or what "brought" the "ingredients for life" to this planet. There is so much that we don't know, so much of which is even a core part of our very being, and the nature of our very planet, that it seems nothing more than being presumption to claim we know much of anything.
Personally, I'd much rather just leave the gaps blank and held by ignorance rather than filled by knowledge that we do not currently have.

Who said I believe in the Big Bang?