ARF ARF......Your Not A Comedian Hillary

[metis]

That sounds lovely. Statistically it may even be true. But when sitting in the dark, and you hear that prowler downstairs, I don't know too many people who wouldn't grab the a gun, a golf club, a baseball bat... whatever, before they go check out the sound.

And that's how people all too often get killed, but it's only rarely the burglar.

Let me put a scenario in place: you hear a sound coming from the other room, so you decide to go check it out with your baseball bat or even your pistola. OK, what's the burglar going to do? Just stand there?

No, according to the police, most will try to escape because it's one thing to get maybe get charged with a b & e, but it's another thing to kill and get caught or get killed themselves. However, if Joe Burglar feels he can't make it out in time, what's he gonna do? Answer: hide. Now, you gotta problem, because he knows where you're coming from but you don;t know where he is. Whatcha gonna do now? Turn on the lights? You might as well just paint a bull's-eye on your chest. Hunt for him in the dark? Really? He can hear you but you ain't likely to hear him.

So, if you were to have a bat or gun, call 911, hide somewhere in your room, and let him come to you if he dare. But he most likely ain't that stupid because now he knows the odds are in your favor, not his. If on a regular phone, you need not say anything-- just stay on the line, because the police will assume you're in trouble and you'll likely take priority over a jaywalker. If on a cell, you may have to whisper, first giving your address-- very important!

 

[esmith]

And that's how people all too often get killed, but it's only rarely the burglar.

Let me put a scenario in place: you hear a sound coming from the other room, so you decide to go check it out with your baseball bat or even your pistola. OK, what's the burglar going to do? Just stand there?

No, according to the police, most will try to escape because it's one thing to get maybe get charged with a b & e, but it's another thing to kill and get caught or get killed themselves. However, if Joe Burglar feels he can't make it out in time, what's he gonna do? Answer: hide. Now, you gotta problem, because he knows where you're coming from but you don;t know where he is. Whatcha gonna do now? Turn on the lights? You might as well just paint a bull's-eye on your chest. Hunt for him in the dark? Really? He can hear you but you ain't likely to hear him.

So, if you were to have a bat or gun, call 911, hide somewhere in your room, and let him come to you if he dare. But he most likely ain't that stupid because now he knows the odds are in your favor, not his. If on a regular phone, you need not say anything-- just stay on the line, because the police will assume you're in trouble and you'll likely take priority over a jaywalker. If on a cell, you may have to whisper, first giving your address-- very important!

Nah, they can't hide in my house......our 3 guard cats will have them pointed out in no time.
Nah, just rack the slide on the 870 and wait for them to make a break for it
Nah, just put on my night vision goggles....they don't stand a chance
Nah, no place to hide....all the closets are the Fiber McGee & Molly type.

 

[metis]

Nah, they can't hide in my house......our 3 guard cats will have them pointed out in no time.
Nah, just rack the slide on the 870 and wait for them to make a break for it
Nah, just put on my night vision goggles....they don't stand a chance
Nah, no place to hide....all the closets are the Fiber McGee & Molly type.

Ya, and I have my bullet-proof tiger that'll shred 'em!

 

[Revoltingest]

Fortunately, I've not had much occasion to need to physically defend my family or my home.

Although I did have one experience with a neighbor with mental health issues, it seemed had seriously overdone his meds, and was on our property and frightened me, mostly because I had two young children at the time. This guy would not leave, so I called a friend I knew was always armed. He showed up and tried to talk to the guy. My friend ended up calling the police without actually pulling out his own gun.

The whole thing was resolved without violence. I don't remember if the police officer actually suggested having a gun -- but I do remember he said they think it's better to be judged by 12 peers than carried by 6. I hadn't heard that one before.

I once had a neighbor who tried to put out a contract out on me.
The cops came & told me of her unsuccessful attempt hire someone to burn down my house.
She wasn't arrested or prosecuted.
I asked why.
The cops said the fire would have to happen.
This was in Marylandistan.
My disdain for cops was not diminished by this.
I suspect that they just thought she was harmless crazy.

Once, she tried to break in.
Coming thru our door, I hit her with my crutch, & forced her out of the house.
(I had a badly broken leg at the time.)
I didn't bother to call the useless cops.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nah, they can't hide in my house......our 3 guard cats will have them pointed out in no time.
Nah, just rack the slide on the 870 and wait for them to make a break for it
Nah, just put on my night vision goggles....they don't stand a chance
Nah, no place to hide....all the closets are the Fiber McGee & Molly type.

I wish I'd been in the position to inherit my grandfather's double barrel 4 gauge shotgun.

 

[4consideration]

I once had a neighbor who tried to put out a contract out on me.
The cops came & told me of her unsuccessful attempt hire someone to burn down my house.
She wasn't arrested or prosecuted.
I asked why.
The cops said the fire would have to happen.
This was in Marylandistan.
My disdain for cops was not diminished by this.
I suspect that they just thought she was harmless crazy.

Once, she tried to break in.
Coming thru our door, I hit her with my crutch, & forced her out of the house.
(I had a badly broken leg at the time.)
I didn't bother to call the useless cops.

The sort of funny thing about that guy that was so out of it and refused to leave our property was that when we had moved to that neighborhood his mother had come to our house to invite us to her church. I wasn't home at them time, and my husband had related the story to me that when she invited us to their church my husband said he expressed appreciation for the invitation, but informed her that we don't go to church...to which she replied when she left..."Don't worry. There's hope for you yet."

I found it so weird that someone would show up under the pretense of being welcoming, and end up being so judgmental about not having their own wishes fulfilled by the interaction.

I thought it was funny and told my husband it was a good thing I wasn't home, since the particular mood I was in at time, I was afraid I would have said exactly what I thought, "Oh gee. Thanks. Thanks for judging us, and then making it appear you are being generous of spirit -- to say there's hope God would be lenient on us for the judgement only you were making. You're the only one you're fooling with that one. That's not God. That's all you."

 

[Underhill]

And that's how people all too often get killed, but it's only rarely the burglar.

Let me put a scenario in place: you hear a sound coming from the other room, so you decide to go check it out with your baseball bat or even your pistola. OK, what's the burglar going to do? Just stand there?

No, according to the police, most will try to escape because it's one thing to get maybe get charged with a b & e, but it's another thing to kill and get caught or get killed themselves. However, if Joe Burglar feels he can't make it out in time, what's he gonna do? Answer: hide. Now, you gotta problem, because he knows where you're coming from but you don;t know where he is. Whatcha gonna do now? Turn on the lights? You might as well just paint a bull's-eye on your chest. Hunt for him in the dark? Really? He can hear you but you ain't likely to hear him.

So, if you were to have a bat or gun, call 911, hide somewhere in your room, and let him come to you if he dare. But he most likely ain't that stupid because now he knows the odds are in your favor, not his. If on a regular phone, you need not say anything-- just stay on the line, because the police will assume you're in trouble and you'll likely take priority over a jaywalker. If on a cell, you may have to whisper, first giving your address-- very important!

There are a lot of assumptions there, both good and bad. The point I was trying to make is not what is the best way to handle the situation. My point was you aren't going to tell most people they can't defend themselves or their property. It's a waste of breath.

I've said it before. The reason the gun issue is so contenscious is that both sides have valid points. Neither side is completely wrong. Pretending otherwise is pointless.

 

[metis]

There are a lot of assumptions there, both good and bad. The point I was trying to make is not what is the best way to handle the situation. My point was you aren't going to tell most people they can't defend themselves or their property. It's a waste of breath.

I've said it before. The reason the gun issue is so contenscious is that both sides have valid points. Neither side is completely wrong. Pretending otherwise is pointless.

The only real point is how is one to defend themselves, and I go in the direction of what the police and FBI told me over the 25 years that I brought them in to my classes. If others prefer to go a different route, that's their choice of course.

BTW, the police also said that if one is going to after a burglar, which obviously they don't recommend, then it is better to use a shotgun.

 

[Underhill]

The only real point is how is one to defend themselves, and I go in the direction of what the police and FBI told me over the 25 years that I brought them in to my classes. If others prefer to go a different route, that's their choice of course.

BTW, the police also said that if one is going to after a burglar, which obviously they don't recommend, then it is better to use a shotgun.

Yep, the shotgun is hard to beat for sheer stopping power.

 

[metis]

Yep, the shotgun is hard to beat for sheer stopping power.

Ya, and what they said is that a rifle poses too much of a problem since the bullet may go through walls and maybe kill someone else, and that handguns are not that accurate. Plus, if one's nervous and not used to using them under tense situations, a shaky handgun would not be the best thing to use.

 

[Underhill]

Ya, and what they said is that a rifle poses too much of a problem since the bullet may go through walls and maybe kill someone else, and that handguns are not that accurate. Plus, if one's nervous and not used to using them under tense situations, a shaky handgun would not be the best thing to use.

The only advantage to a pistol, and it is significant, is the portability and quick access. A small bedside fingerprint safe can be accessed in seconds.

But I have 2 shotguns in my house. An 870 pump and an old single shot. I used to have a nice over under shotgun for trap, but I didn't use it enough to justify keeping it.

 

[esmith]

Ya, and what they said is that a rifle poses too much of a problem since the bullet may go through walls and maybe kill someone else, and that handguns are not that accurate. Plus, if one's nervous and not used to using them under tense situations, a shaky handgun would not be the best thing to use.

I have stayed out of this discussion for obvious reason's......neither side will admit the other is right. However, your statement that handguns are "inaccurate" is misleading. To be technically correct handguns are very accurate, the person using the handgun is the determining factor behind accuracy. I may or may not be called out on this by the pro-guns group, but my statement is valid. If you purchase a handgun, take it home, load it, and put it away you are in very simple terms STUPID. You must practice, practice, practice. The wife and I go to the range on average 2 times a month (including winter). We expend about 100 rounds a session. Our average distance is around 15 feet, anything beyond that is considered target shooting.in my opinion. So, I agree and disagree with your statement concerning handguns.

 

[metis]

I have stayed out of this discussion for obvious reason's......neither side will admit the other is right. However, your statement that handguns are "inaccurate" is misleading. To be technically correct handguns are very accurate, the person using the handgun is the determining factor behind accuracy. I may or may not be called out on this by the pro-guns group, but my statement is valid. If you purchase a handgun, take it home, load it, and put it away you are in very simple terms STUPID. You must practice, practice, practice. The wife and I go to the range on average 2 times a month (including winter). We expend about 100 rounds a session. Our average distance is around 15 feet, anything beyond that is considered target shooting.in my opinion. So, I agree and disagree with your statement concerning handguns.

I did qualify what I was saying in regards to handguns, which I think you are recognizing with the above.

 

[McBell]

If a burglar is running out of your house with your 72" widescreen t.v., and you shoot him, you're gonna get charged with manslaughter at the least. If he has his back to you, unless he has a weapon, you also would be at risk for manslaughter charges.

The police will tell you over and over again, do not attempt to engage.

Stand your ground laws.
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Mileage will vary based upon location and other case specific variables.

 

[McBell]

Ya, and what they said is that a rifle poses too much of a problem since the bullet may go through walls and maybe kill someone else, and that handguns are not that accurate. Plus, if one's nervous and not used to using them under tense situations, a shaky handgun would not be the best thing to use.

I have a handgun...that fires shotgun rounds...

 

[jeager106]

I have lots of guns.
I love the shotgun for up close and personal use.
I've seen very few shotgun wounds that were not absolutely and decisively
FATAL.
At close range it is a fearsome weapon.
I recall several shotgun wounds but few that proved survivable.
One poor burglar (yeah right) got the whole 12 gauge pattern in the guts.
Surgeons worked for HOURS removing all the lead shot.
He survived to see prison.
Bet he changed his profession.
Most would have died but you just can't kill evil.