Arius was correct about Jesus

[muhammad_isa]

Satan is the father of LIES not God!

We agree with each other here.

The Islamic sacred book the written opinions of some anonymous author???

The Qur'an is not anonymous. It was dictated to Muhammad, peace be with him, by angel Gabriel.

The Bible is a collection of texts. The canon was chosen by humans. There were many creeds in early Christianity.
Naturally, they all claimed that they were right.
Oh well

 

[Dogknox20]

I say it again.. You don't like what you read so it is a lie! ALL the Gospels are inspired words of God.. You can't pick what you like and reject the rest of God' words as lies!! Satan is the father of LIES not God!
In Matthew they worship Jesus... Worship is ONLY for God!
Genesis 14:19 and he blessed Abram, saying, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.
3 Through him (Jesus) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

We agree with each other here.

The Qur'an is not anonymous. It was dictated to Muhammad, peace be with him, by angel Gabriel.

The Bible is a collection of texts. The canon was chosen by humans. There were many creeds in early Christianity.
Naturally, they all claimed that they were right.
Oh well

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There were many texts claiming they were right.... The Scriptures are the collection of all the right ones ONLY the right ones! The phony texts were weeded out only the real words of God are in the bible!
muhammad_isa Are you saying the Quran was NOT written by a man!? Are you saying; God wrote the Quran?! You cannot prove your Quran was from God!
The Quran is written 600 years AFTER the scriptures; The Scriptures tell us "Jesus rose from the dead"!

Jesus was Crucified on Friday he resurrected from the dead on Sunday! No one can die two times; Jesus the God/man now lives forever, now he is sitting at the right hand of his father on a throne in heaven!
Jesus is God.. God loves us so much that he took our place in death!

Rev 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.

God is Love! Christians love God our savior and he loves us! God showed us his perfect love by dyeing for us, he took our place in death! Your god is not the same God of the Christian yours cannot love! Your god is a lie.. There is ONLY one truth there is only one God!

 

[muhammad_isa]

You cannot prove your Quran was from God!

No, I can't.
Neither can you show us why the various texts by different authors, chosen to be in a Bible canon a couple of centuries after Jesus ascended, are inerrant.

I accept the OT, Psalms, NT and Qur'an as being based on truth.
Only the Qur'an has been memorised by 1000's of people since its revelation, in Arabic.

It is clear why many people want to argue over Jesus' apparent death. It is about the tribal tendencies of man, as it makes them feel secure belonging to their cultural group.

The problem however, will be on the day of judgement, if we KNEW that we were misleading others, in order to obtain a brief worldly advantage other others.

Any sincere person, regardless of their creed, has nothing to fear.
G-d is the Fairest of ALL.

 

[Lain]

Any sincere person, regardless of their creed, has nothing to fear.
G-d is the Fairest of ALL.

 

[Dogknox20]

No, I can't.
Neither can you show us why the various texts by different authors, chosen to be in a Bible canon a couple of centuries after Jesus ascended, are inerrant.

I accept the OT, Psalms, NT and Qur'an as being based on truth.
Only the Qur'an has been memorised by 1000's of people since its revelation, in Arabic.

It is clear why many people want to argue over Jesus' apparent death. It is about the tribal tendencies of man, as it makes them feel secure belonging to their cultural group.

The problem however, will be on the day of judgement, if we KNEW that we were misleading others, in order to obtain a brief worldly advantage other others.

Any sincere person, regardless of their creed, has nothing to fear.
G-d is the Fairest of ALL.

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You point out.. The Quran was memorized SO WHAT?! The scriptures, God' holy words are also memorized by thousands of people.
The Old Testament.. Tells us of the coming arrival of Jesus; then the New Testament tells us about Jesus God' Only Son born of a Virgin Woman! Begotten not made! Jesus performed many miracles he did many wonderful deeds! Mahammad and the Quran are so far removed from Jesus by 700 years it is virtually imposable to think Muslims would have a true understanding of Jesus! You are forced to reject the truth for the lie taught by the Quran!
muhammad_isa There is ONLY one Truth.... The Truth of Christianity outshines the lies of Mahammad! Death is NO MORE, man was redeemed by Jesus the second perfect man the first being Adam! Jesus is God born as man so he could die as man!

 

[muhammad_isa]

The Truth of Christianity outshines the lies of Mahammad!

How sad that you show so little respect for others, while professing to possess "true knowledge"

Your statement is an emotional one, and has no rational basis.

 

[PearlSeeker]

I say it again.. You don't like what you read so it is a lie! ALL the Gospels are inspired words of God.. You can't pick what you like and reject the rest of God' words as lies!! Satan is the father of LIES not God!
In Matthew they worship Jesus... Worship is ONLY for God!
Genesis 14:19 and he blessed Abram, saying, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.
3 Through him (Jesus) all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

In Matthew Jesus is not worshipped as God but as the king. Another example:

Then Bathsheba bowed down with her face to the ground, prostrating herself before the king, and said, “May my lord King David live forever!” (1 Kings 1:31)​

 

[Dogknox20]

How sad that you show so little respect for others, while professing to possess "true knowledge"

Your statement is an emotional one, and has no rational basis.

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Qur’an is the command to “slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them” (Q 9:5)
The Qur’an states: “Fight those who do not . . . follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection” (Q 9:29).

muhammad_isa The God of the Christian is loving and kind! Jesus died for all men taking our place in death we now live forever because of the LOVE God has for us! The god of the Muslim is demanding and ruthless in subjection of peoples! You have been tricked into believing God does not love! It's Satan that does not love... There is ONLY one truth but many lies to deceive and confuse man!
Jesus is God born of a virgin! You say you believe the Old Testament!?
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Matthew 1:23
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

 

[Dogknox20]

In Matthew Jesus is not worshipped as God but as the king. Another example:

Then Bathsheba bowed down with her face to the ground, prostrating herself before the king, and said, “May my lord King David live forever!” (1 Kings 1:31)​

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Jesus knows beyond all doubt.. Worship is ONLY FOR God! If Jesus accepts worship without correcting the error he would be sinning worse then Satan!

Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
PearlSeeker You don't read Jesus stopping the worship... You don't read Jesus correcting those in the boat saying "‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” NEVER....

PearlSeeker never do you find Jesus stopping the worship of himself anywhere in the scriptures!

Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Jesus accepts the worship never stopping them from worshipping him.. The words of Jesus. ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

 

[muhammad_isa]

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The god of the Muslim is demanding and ruthless in subjection of peoples! You have been tricked into believing God does not love!

Don't be silly. You have just quoted verses that you don't understand and/or like.

Are you a pacifist?
I would say that USA is a majority Christian country.
US Christians bombed Hiroshima in 1945, for example.

I'm not judging. I'll let G-d do that.

 

[PearlSeeker]

PearlSeeker never do you find Jesus stopping the worship of himself anywhere in the scriptures!

In the scriptures Jesus confirms that he is the Messiah. It was natural for those who regarded him as such to pay reverence. Just as did Bathsheba before David, sons of Jacob before their brother Joseph...

The scriptures disagree whether Jesus wanted to keep his Mesiahship secret or he proclaimed it loud with "I am..." statements.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Jesus was Crucified on Friday

For you divine inspiration means scriptures are completely inerrant and reliable about every detail (as you said: God cannot lie). On what day was the last supper - passover or day before? When did Jesus die on cross - on passover or the next day?

 

[Dogknox20]

Don't be silly. You have just quoted verses that you don't understand and/or like.

Are you a pacifist?
I would say that USA is a majority Christian country.
US Christians bombed Hiroshima in 1945, for example.

I'm not judging. I'll let G-d do that.

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muhammad_isa You forget the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor >>FIRST<< ... Pointing to only half of the truth is the next thing to a lie! Also... The Spanish inquisition pushed the Muslims out of Europe otherwise Europe would have ended up Muslim! You only want to see half of the story! DON'T....

muhammad_isa don't try to come at me with any idea that Islam is pacifist!! "Eye of an eye tooth for a tooth!" Stone woman or cut off the head of woman caught in adultery! Cut off hands of the thief etc! Islam is a violent religion! Jesus is God born of a virgin with the message of forgiveness; turn the other cheek!
John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

 

[Dogknox20]

For you divine inspiration means scriptures are completely inerrant and reliable about every detail (as you said: God cannot lie). On what day was the last supper - passover or day before? When did Jesus die on cross - on Passover or the next day?

PearlSeeker Jesus died on the day of Preparation Friday! The day they slaughter the "Passover Lamb!"! He was in the tomb before Saturday... (Saturday begins at sundown Friday)! Friday (1) Saturday (2) .... Rose on the third day.. Sunday (3)!

Jesus offered his Flesh on Thursday at the Last supper a "SACRAFICE!" Jesus is a sacrificial Lamb...
Romans 3:25
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—

Rev 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

PearlSeeker All Passover meals MUST be eaten! Jesus cannot lie or mislead!
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

 

[Dogknox20]

In the scriptures Jesus confirms that he is the Messiah. It was natural for those who regarded him as such to pay reverence. Just as did Bathsheba before David, sons of Jacob before their brother Joseph...

The scriptures disagree whether Jesus wanted to keep his Mesiahship secret or he proclaimed it loud with "I am..." statements.

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PearlSeeker and your point is???

Jesus is GOD.. Only God is perfect... Only God is sinless! Jesus rose from the grave because Sin could not hold him there! "The Wages of Sin is death"!
I am IN Jesus: I was IMMERSED into his living forever body by my Baptism! I am IN Jesus so I also will live forever.. Jesus cannot die a second time! AS LONG...

PearlSeeker as long as I remain IN Jesus I also will live with him in heaven!

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

 

[PearlSeeker]

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PearlSeeker and your point is???

Jesus is GOD.. Only God is perfect... Only God is sinless! Jesus rose from the grave because Sin could not hold him there! "The Wages of Sin is death"!
I am IN Jesus: I was IMMERSED into his living forever body by my Baptism! I am IN Jesus so I also will live forever.. Jesus cannot die a second time! AS LONG...

PearlSeeker as long as I remain IN Jesus I also will live with him in heaven!

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

You remain in your belief I remain in mine. No problem.

I will refrain from RF till Christmas. Blessed advent to you and all!

 

[Dogknox20]

You remain in your belief I remain in mine. No problem.

I will refrain from RF till Christmas. Blessed advent to you and all!

Good for you.. It will give you time to cool down!

 

[Muffled]

And they lost overwhelmingly. So they were a tiny minority.

I t wouldn't have mattered if they were a large majority, they still would have been wrong. The RCC is huge but they are wrong about many things.

 

[Muffled]

I used to feel that way, I guess. I didn’t know God or much about Him. I think you are right that the scriptures do give insight into the character of God but the instruction on how we are to treat others with love, forgiveness, mercy, kindness, the fruits of the Spirit and the Beatitudes. Since being born again to new life in Christ, the Holy Spirit has illuminated the scriptures to me and given me a greater understanding of God.
I was adamant against the Trinity. Then I was saved and born again. I can’t explain it thoroughly, but within days, maybe hours of that I understood the triune nature of God. I knew it was true and made sense... the only sense in line with God’s revelation of Himself in the scriptures.

I believe when I received Jesus as Lord and Savior that Jesus and God were one to me but not from knowledge so it must have been the Holy Spirit. Now I know it from the Bible.

 

[Dogknox20]

I believe when I received Jesus as Lord and Savior that Jesus and God were one to me but not from knowledge so it must have been the Holy Spirit. Now I know it from the Bible.

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Muffled to receive Jesus you MUST be "Immersed" into Jesus!
John 3:16.... Jesus was talking with Nicodemus about Baptism! Believing "In Jesus" means you believe the words of Jesus! After John 3:16 Jesus goes out and Baptizes with water!

John 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.

Rejecting the words of Jesus you condemn yourself...
John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Muffled Do you see it.. "Water AND" not Spirit alone!