From what I've heard the movie was pretty good.
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Ark builder Ken Ham: Noah movie is disgusting and evil
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dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
This just makes me want to see it. At first, I thought it was just going to be more of the Christians trying to use Hollywood to evangelize. If Ken Ham hates it this much, it's worth a view, IMO.
As for the theology, the god as portrayed in the OT is a bloodthirsty, god of war, who condones genocide, murder, and other atrocities. To portray Noah in the same light, seems pretty logical to me. If Christians don't like it, maybe they should reevaluate their theology and beliefs.
As for the pagan jibe, that's just Christian bs-as-usual. Anything they disagree with or find immoral, is automatically "pagan", which is weird, considering pagans are normally much more moral than they are; from my experience, conservative evangelicals don't really have a clue what morality really is.
As for the theology, the god as portrayed in the OT is a bloodthirsty, god of war, who condones genocide, murder, and other atrocities. To portray Noah in the same light, seems pretty logical to me. If Christians don't like it, maybe they should reevaluate their theology and beliefs.
As for the pagan jibe, that's just Christian bs-as-usual. Anything they disagree with or find immoral, is automatically "pagan", which is weird, considering pagans are normally much more moral than they are; from my experience, conservative evangelicals don't really have a clue what morality really is.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
thats if you let hollywood tell the story.
The bible does not tell that story. It would be nice if hollywood writers stuck to the script, but they dont, they have never told an historical account about 'anything' without adding in their own hyperbole....they are the kings of spin and i think its unethical that they called the movie 'Noah' when this clearly is not the story of Noah from the bible.
I dont think i'll be seeing this movie.
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technomage
Finding my own way
Oh, but didn't you know, Sees? We are evil incarnate! We learn all about just how evil we are at our Initiation, right after we ritually kick a blind, sick puppy. :sarcasticI like the paganism association with evil and killing
And all our robes are polyester. HAIL SATIN!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, actually most people do that. If you never formed negative opinions of something before you experienced them, there is a pretty good chance you are lying to yourself.
But I am curious, what is your fascination with Ken Ham? It is almost as if you actually care enough about him to care about what he is saying.
Probably not. To me the movie seemed about some war, natural disasters, and they just happened to throw the story of the Ark in with it. The only other thing I can think of to describe it, other than "really bad," is that it looks like the typical lowest common denominator of Hollywood rubbish that serves only to subdue, dumb-down, and pacify the audience. And of course massive confusion as to what was written in the Bible and what wasn't. So at least for awhile I may be able to count on some laughs from people citing the movie thinking it was in the Bible.
McBell
Unbound
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
:biglaugh:Now I'm seeing the movie as a Family Guy style movie with Schwarzenegger as the lead.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Because he is currently standing at the forefront of the creationist movement, and through various venues---his creation museum, Noah's Ark project, web site, publications, and TV appearances---he is deceitfully misleading a lot of people about science. And anything I can do to paint him in the bad light he deserves is a pleasure.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
My feelings exactly!
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ok nowww.. I want to vach it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Here is a video you might like (if you haven't seen it already). Ham is pretty far out there, and if people can't see that he doesn't really present evidence there are far greater concerns than someone who plays into this gap of understanding of what science is and what makes something evidence. The general scientific illiteracy that our society as a whole faces.Because he is currently standing at the forefront of the creationist movement, and through various venues---his creation museum, Noah's Ark project, web site, publications, and TV appearances---he is deceitfully misleading a lot of people about science. And anything I can do to paint him in the bad light he deserves is a pleasure.
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Bill Nye debates Ken Ham FULL - Comments Enabled - YouTube
This actually makes me more keen to see the movie. :drool:
There is nothing better for a film or a book than a religious or ideological fanatic condemning it. Think "The Last Temptation of Christ" or Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses". Its popularity and box office ratings will keep on spiking the more controversy it causes.
It is to be expected that a skilled screenwriter/director will take artistic liberties with a text so as to give it more compelling, dramatic clout for audiences. Film is a very different medium from the written word. That's art.
There is nothing better for a film or a book than a religious or ideological fanatic condemning it. Think "The Last Temptation of Christ" or Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses". Its popularity and box office ratings will keep on spiking the more controversy it causes.
It is to be expected that a skilled screenwriter/director will take artistic liberties with a text so as to give it more compelling, dramatic clout for audiences. Film is a very different medium from the written word. That's art.
99% Amazed
1% Gassy from eating one and a half large-bucket full of popcorn
1% Gassy from eating one and a half large-bucket full of popcorn
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Technical term is planetecide
.It seems as if people like Ken Ham do not understand that mythology is mythology and is open to any interpretation such as what we have done to comicbooks and Greek myths.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
so is that a good review of the film?
It was a must-see for both the religious and non-religious
esmith
Veteran Member
I look at it this way, the movie was written as a form of entertainment. How many movies have any of you seen that was based on a book follows the exact storyline of the original book; very few I would hazard to guess. It is common knowledge that a film version of a booked has to be "spiced up" especially in today's market. If there is not enough "action" the movie is usually a bust. I know that those that take the bible literally will object to the portrayal of the story of Noah in this movie in a unfavorable light. Those that see the bible in a figuratively manner may or may not object strenuously. Myself I have always thought the story of Noah that was told around campfires was to entertain and inform and was probably based on the Gligemesh epic from 2700 BCE. I really do believe they had to "spice" things up even back then to get people to listen.
No, I do not want to get into a discussion about the Bible, just attempting to justify why a movie didn't follow the book.
No, I do not want to get into a discussion about the Bible, just attempting to justify why a movie didn't follow the book.
work in progress
Well-Known Member
I saw the Noah movie yesterday, and I am not a big fan of Russell Crowe's acting abilities....his ego seems to transcend the characters he plays...but in this one, his brooding, angst-ridden Noah is perfect for the story. And there's more to the story than Crowe's Noah, since the movie is a world created by CGI graphics, and there are other important characters - like Tubal-Cain - the bad guy of the story, who is only briefly mentioned in Genesis as the son of Cain and is credited with inventing the forging of iron and bronze. So, I guess that having him still around at the time of the Flood and his fight with Noah, is either some flight of fancy or more likely is found in some sort of Apocryphal work...like these big talking & walking rock giants (which reminded me of the Ents - the tree creatures in Lord of the Rings) who were the fallen angels cursed to dwell among the rocks after the fall of man...a story lifted from the book of Enoch. This is likely one of the reasons why a uptight fundie like Ken Ham could never appreciate this movie!
Darren Aronofsky wants to tell stories through film, and I wanted to see the movie because it's a Darren Aronofsky film, and I am a fan of his work...even the films that no one seems to like or understand - like The Fountain....so, I knew I wouldn't be disappointed.
Myth has to be taken in context, not applied by modern day rules of culture. I notice that both fundamentalists and most antitheists seem to be guilty of trying to shoehorn modern sensibilities into the story.
Noah is a world where The Creator has made everything and can do whatever he wants with his creation...that's just the way it is, so Noah doesn't question why the Creator wants to cleanse the Earth...he just does, and for reasons Noah doesn't understand, has chosen him to play an important part in saving and rebuilding his creation. Another apocryphal addition to the story of Noah is that Noah himself has been given the final choice by The Creator to decide whether he and his family should be the last of the very dangerous and destructive human creatures...leaving behind a pristine world, or whether the human race should have the chance to continue on.
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I think the rock transformers were awesome, but Brad Pitt would've made a much better Noah.