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Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

Heyo

Veteran Member
I know many who trust religion & feelings more than science.
They're sincere in this orientation. But they believe that I'm
not...tis inconceivable that I could deny the obvious existence
of God, & the inerrant truth of the Bible.
In their minds, I'm dishonest.
In your mind, perhaps they're dishonest.
In my mind, we're all honest....but I'm right, & y'all are wrong.
I accept your resignation.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Click bait title, eh.

I wonder if the legislators imagined how many other
theories of the Earth's creation could be taught?

6 wacky creation myths around the world - Matador Network
Excerpted....
Chinese Creation Myth: Yet Another Egg?
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Pan Gu! Pan Gu!

Heaven and Earth were together at the beginning of time, according to this myth. They were hanging out in a cloud that was, you guessed it, egg shaped.

But chaos was the name of the game for the universe at that time, and a giant named Pan Gu grew in the middle of it. Only took him 18,000 years of sleeping and developing in the egg until one day, he awoke and stretched. Boom, there went the egg.

The lighter egg goo, or elements if you want a nicer word, became the sky and heaven, and the heavier, yolkey- stuff became Earth. Pan Gu was a bit tense that the two might combine again, so he decided to do his part and hold the heavens on his head and the Earth underneath his feet.

Then he continued to grow for a whole other 18,000 years, until finally he felt satisfied when the two were a good 30,000 miles apart. Soon after, he died.

From his death, the Earth was bequeathed some new stuff – his arms and legs became the directions NSEW and the mountains; his blood the rivers; his sweat, the rain and dew. His voice was now thunder, and his minty-free breath, the wind. All elements of land and water came from his body, with his left eye becoming the sun, and his right eye, the moon.
I wonder who was keeping track of the years?

It would be interesting to see the unintended consequences of this law if some teacher starts in with this myth instead of the Bible stories.
 
That's what all y'all say...yet using that method, you all wildly disagree when the rubber meets the road.
Rubber meets the road in real life situations, does God do what He said He would and faithful to His promises? Yes. Does He do everything I ask and do I know everything? No.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Rubber meets the road in real life situations, does God do what He said He would and faithful to His promises? Yes. Does He do everything I ask and do I know everything? No.

We have no evidence I've seen that God does anything. What we have are humans who claim to speak for God and claim she's done things.

I explored the "rubber meets the road" issue here:

The Bible Tells Me So
 
Except it isn't. That's the point. If it were, all the "literalists" would agree with each other. Yet y'all don't.
That’s not quite what I was saying and wasn’t saying the literal principle of interpretation would insure everyone would agree with each other. Out of all the different principles of interpretation I found the literal is the best at finding out what God meant when He said things. That’s it.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
Origen isn’t my authority, he was just a man. Jesus and the Apostles didn’t believe Noah or Genesis to be allegorical.
“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:37-41‬ ‭NIV‬‬
There are a lot of Scripture references to validate what I say.

According to the Biblical chronology, the Flood happened 1656 years after the Creation. It is now at least 1985 years since Jesus's death (and, a fortiori, since he spoke the words in Matthew 24:37-41) and the Son of Man has not come yet. Have we any reason to believe that the Son of Man will ever come, or that Jesus's words about his expected coming, or the Flood, are reliable?
 
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According to the Biblical chronology, the Flood happened 1656 years after the Creation. It is now at least 1985 years after Jesus's death (and, a fortiori, since he spoke the words in Matthew 24:37-41) and the Son of Man has not come yet. Have we any reason to believe that the Son of Man will ever come, or that Jesus's words about his expected coming, or the Flood, are reliable?
Yes
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Origen isn’t my authority, he was just a man. Jesus and the Apostles didn’t believe Noah or Genesis to be allegorical.
“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:37-41‬ ‭NIV‬‬
There are a lot of Scripture references to validate what I say.
I am talking about historical fact, not what you, personally, may happen to believe.

It is a historical fact that Christianity has never insisted on biblical literalism.
So it is false to suggest, as you did, that it is a requirement of Christianity.
 
I am talking about historical fact, not what you, personally, may happen to believe.

It is a historical fact that Christianity has never insisted on biblical literalism.
So it is false to suggest, as you did, that it is a requirement of Christianity.
A person that receives the Gospel and is born again of the Spirit accepts Jesus Christ and that the Scriptures are the Word of God. If a person doesn’t believe the Scriptures are the Word of God why would they consider themselves a Christian. A believer enters into a covenant with God and submits to His authority over their lives, lives out the Word of God. You cannot submit to God without believing His Word is true. Jesus Christ said that Man does not live on bread alone but every word that comes from the mouth of God.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
A person that receives the Gospel and is born again of the Spirit accepts Jesus Christ and that the Scriptures are the Word of God. If a person doesn’t believe the Scriptures are the Word of God why would they consider themselves a Christian. A believer enters into a covenant with God and submits to His authority over their lives, lives out the Word of God. You cannot submit to God without believing His Word is true. Jesus Christ said that Man does not live on bread alone but every word that comes from the mouth of God.
You had better ask that question about the whole of Christendom, from 200AD onwards, then.

Are you really suggesting that nobody was a Christian until 200 years ago?
 
You had better ask that question about the whole of Christendom, from 200AD onwards, then.

Are you really suggesting that nobody was a Christian until 200 years ago?
You’ll have to read the Bible and see for yourself, the Word of God is the authority for Truth.

“But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:14-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
You’ll have to read the Bible and see for yourself, the Word of God is the authority for Truth.

“But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:14-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
You are failing to answer my question. Just preaching at me won't do.

You do not get to determine what makes a Christian. You have no authority to do that. Christians have exited for many centuries before you, or whatever sect you belong to.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
A religious thread on a religious forum talking to people who sport evolution as the origin of life as fact

Please show anyone who sported evolution as the origin of life. This is a strawman of your making.


talking of your real life experience and what God has shown you and the unbeliever is calling a foul.

How does talking about your real-life experiences to the point of being nothing much more than proselytizing address the topic of the OP?
 
You are failing to answer my question. Just preaching at me won't do.

You do not get to determine what makes a Christian. You have no authority to do that. Christians have exited for many centuries before you, or whatever sect you belong to.
The Word of God has the authority and says how to tell a believer from an unbeliever.
 
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