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[Subduction Zone]

“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:24-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her. ” And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:4-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
God never intended divorce, or multiple husbands or wives.

There is nothing there that implies that marriage is between only one man and one woman. And the Old Testament refutes your belief time after time. You are cherry picking. One example to the contrary refutes your claim:

Jacob married two sisters. That is the first example that proves you wrong. He married Leah and Rebekah:

The Bible’s original love triangle: Jacob, Leah, and Rachel

There was no condemnation from God for that act. Nor was he the last by any means.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It's entirely in context. We're talking about how the government treats same-sex couples. You seemed to express that you want how the government treats same-sex couples to be based on your religious beliefs about what is sacred and what the god you believe in wants.

But of course not everyone shares your beliefs, which brings us to my question....do you expect the government to force people who don't share your religious beliefs to abide by them?

Wrong bro, keep the term marriage a sacred term, has nothing to do with being treated different by government. Sorry if you don’t agree but God isn’t going to ever recognize an unholy union whether same sex or not. Your argument is with him.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope.
But the rest of us have no obligation to do something different just because of your beliefs.

Go for it

 

[Jose Fly]

Wrong bro, keep the term marriage a sacred term, has nothing to do with being treated different by government.

Do you expect the government to base how it treats same-sex couples on your religious beliefs?

Sorry if you don’t agree but God isn’t going to ever recognize an unholy union whether same sex or not. Your argument is with him.

I'm not asking about any gods. I'm focused on public policy and how/what you think it should be.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you expect the government to base how it treats same-sex couples on your religious beliefs?


I'm not asking about any gods. I'm focused on public policy and how/what you think it should be.

Already said everything on this #466

 

[Jose Fly]

Already said everything on this

So a same-sex couple goes to a government office and says they want to get married. Would you have the government turn them away? Would you have the government tell them they can't get married, but they can become a "civil union"?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So a same-sex couple goes to a government office and says they want to get married. Would you have the government turn them away? Would you have the government tell them they can't get married, but they can become a "civil union"?

Not worth arguing about except marriage is between a man and a woman making a life long covenant before God. It’s the only union that is considered holy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not worth arguing about except marriage is between a man and a woman making a life long covenant before God. It’s the only union that is considered holy.

You failed to support that even with the Bible. You failed because you cherry picked it and had no answer for the countless examples that run contrary to your claims.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You failed to support that even with the Bible. You failed because you cherry picked it and had no answer for the countless examples that run contrary to your claims.

I did, too bad you’re blind and can’t understand what Jesus said. You don’t even understand God or what He says. You’re just trolling now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did, too bad you’re blind and can’t understand what Jesus said. You don’t even understand God or what He says. You’re just trolling now.

Now please, when it comes to your book of myths you are the one that has to keep yourself blind. You had no answers to the refutations that you were given. You cannot because then you would have to deny other parts of your self contradictory beliefs. A literalist interpretation of the Bible is an obstacle to understanding.

 

[Jose Fly]

Not worth arguing about except marriage is between a man and a woman making a life long covenant before God. It’s the only union that is considered holy.

Is that what you'd have the government tell the couple? "Not worth arguing about"? What happens after that? Do they get their marriage license?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Is that what you'd have the government tell the couple? "Not worth arguing about"? What happens after that? Do they get their marriage license?

No brother was talking to you, go for it, get married, hope you find happiness and satisfaction with your life. If you want me to tell you it will all work out and it’s normal, sorry, it’s not.

 

[Jose Fly]

No brother was talking to you, go for it, get married, hope you find happiness and satisfaction with your life. If you want me to tell you it will all work out and it’s normal, sorry, it’s not.

You may have lost track of our discussion.

We're talking about public policy (government) regarding marriage. A same-sex couple walks into a government office and says they want to get married. What do you think the government should do and/or say?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You may have lost track of our discussion.

We're talking about public policy (government) regarding marriage. A same-sex couple walks into a government office and says they want to get married. What do you think the government should do and/or say?

Already told you, if you want government to represent everyone then yes marriage should stay between a man and woman before God any other union is a civil union and the couples have the same benefits in the society. What is wrong with that?

 

[Jose Fly]

Already told you, if you want government to represent everyone then yes marriage should stay between a man and woman before God any other union is a civil union and the couples have the same benefits in the society. What is wrong with that?

So you want government policy to be based on your religious beliefs, which means when the same-sex couple tells the government they want to get married, you'd have the government say "No, that is against God". Correct?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you want government policy to be based on your religious beliefs, which means when the same-sex couple tells the government they want to get married, you'd have the government say "No, that is against God". Correct?

Brother, go to God and ask him if He will marry you and your same sex partner, or if He will marry you and a female who is already married. He won’t do it. Sorry if you don’t believe in God the Creator but He is the one who sets up and tears down governments. Any government that wants the blessing of God needs to honor Him and their laws reflect His Character. As far as government saying the couple are now married, who cares, not gonna mean anything. Why do it in the first place, make your promise to your partner and keep your vows.

 

[Jose Fly]

Brother, go to God and ask him if He will marry you and your same sex partner, or if He will marry you and a female who is already married. He won’t do it. Sorry if you don’t believe in God the Creator but He is the one who sets up and tears down governments. Any government that wants the blessing of God needs to honor Him and their laws reflect His Character. As far as government saying the couple are now married, who cares, not gonna mean anything. Why do it in the first place, make your promise to your partner and keep your vows.

You're dodging, and I'll take that as an indication that what I said was an accurate characterization of your view.

Do you think LGBTQs should be a protected class in employment discrimination, the same as other groups such as religions, ethnicities, etc.?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You're dodging, and I'll take that as an indication that what I said was an accurate characterization of your view.

Do you think LGBTQs should be a protected class in employment discrimination, the same as other groups such as religions, ethnicities, etc.?

As far as government saying the couple are now married, who cares, not gonna mean anything. Why do it.
Wasn’t this a good enough answer
All citizens should be protected the same, all Americans no matter race, religion or sexual preference. What you listed is just divisive.

 

[Jose Fly]

As far as government saying the couple are now married, who cares, not gonna mean anything. Why do it.
Wasn’t this a good enough answer

So you're okay with, or indifferent to, the government issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples and legally recognizing them as such.

All citizens should be protected the same, all Americans no matter race, religion or sexual preference. What you listed is just divisive.

What I listed is part of the Civil Rights Act, specifically some of the protected classes in employment discrimination. From your reply, I take it that you're also okay with LGBTQs being a protected class.

Do you think LGBTQs should be a protected class (same as other groups) when it comes to things like housing, bank loans, and medical care?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you're okay with, or indifferent to, the government issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples and legally recognizing them as such.


What I listed is part of the Civil Rights Act, specifically some of the protected classes in employment discrimination. From your reply, I take it that you're also okay with LGBTQs being a protected class.

Do you think LGBTQs should be a protected class (same as other groups) when it comes to things like housing, bank loans, and medical care?

How many ways can I say it? ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE A PROTECTED CLASS.