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Article about abortion

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
johnnys4life said:
Am I talking about Iraq, no. Do I approve of killing, no. Try to stay on the subject. If you've never even seen the photographs, just say so.
I am not drifting off subject, I am drawing a like comparison.

And what does my arguing my position have to do with seeing photographs?

Do I need to put it in a font three feet high with flashing lights for you?

I have seen the pictures.

I am still pro-choice.

Let's try again.

I have seen the pictures.

I am still pro-choice.
 

johnnys4life

Pro-life Mommy
Maize said:
OK, but you think it's OK to force your agenda and religious views on others. Honestly, I'm not sure which is worse, in the long run....

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Pretty simple. But why should others be denied that option just because you think it's morally wrong?
Why should others be denied the right to kill just because I think it's morally wrong? If the whole world thought killing 7 year-olds was somehow justified, would you sit back and say okay, or would you speak out against it?

"Don't like abortion? Don't have one." Good advice. Don't like murder, don't kill.

I will try to be nicer about pushing my non-murderous agenda on others. Maybe they should think about NOT pushing thier murderous agenda on society. I have to live here too, and I will always care about other people's children. Children ARE my business. I fight very hard to end child abuse, and I have researched abortion from every angle for the past year, have you? Do you know what child abuse is? It's ripping apart a baby limb by limb. That's the most severe form of child abuse I can think of.

The fact is, women are having abortions without ever knowing what it is, and when they find out, they are 3 times more likely to commit suicide than someone who gave birth instead.
 

johnnys4life

Pro-life Mommy
Jensa said:
I am not drifting off subject, I am drawing a like comparison.

And what does my arguing my position have to do with seeing photographs?

Do I need to put it in a font three feet high with flashing lights for you?

I have seen the pictures.

I am still pro-choice.

Let's try again.

I have seen the pictures.

I am still pro-choice.

Then let me say this right now, so that there can never be any doubt.

I THINK YOU ARE TWISTED. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL. STAY AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY. NOBODY WHO THINKS INFANTICIDE IS OKAY FOR ANY REASON, EVER, WILL EVER BE ALLOWED NEAR MY DAUGHTER IF I CAN HELP IT. PERIOD. CLEAR ENOUGH?
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Johnnys, carrying a baby to term is much more dangerous, mentally and physically, than having an abortion. Post-partum depression can kill the mother and the child, but I don't hear very many people decrying the horrors of getting pregnant and carrying a child to term.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
johnnys4life said:
Then let me say this right now, so that there can never be any doubt.

I THINK YOU ARE TWISTED. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL. STAY AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY. NOBODY WHO THINKS INFANTICIDE IS OKAY FOR ANY REASON, EVER, WILL EVER BE ALLOWED NEAR MY DAUGHTER IF I CAN HELP IT. PERIOD. CLEAR ENOUGH?
Why would I have any desire to be near you or your daughter?

I thank you for your thoughts and prayers, even if I feel I don't need them or help for my soul.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
johnnys4life said:
The fact is, women are having abortions without ever knowing what it is, and when they find out, they are 3 times more likely to commit suicide than someone who gave birth instead.
Well no wonder with the Radical Religious Right anti-choice movement constantly brow-beating them and calling them evil and murderers. :rolleyes: Do you ever think that your speech does more harm than good?

And that is absolutely ridiculous that a woman could have an abortion without knowing what it is. Are you alledging that abortion doctors are kidnapping women and performing abortions against these women's will? How could a woman NOT know what an abortion is. Listen long enough the anti-choice crowd tells everyone and shows pictures!
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
johnnys4life said:
Then let me say this right now, so that there can never be any doubt.

I THINK YOU ARE TWISTED. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL. STAY AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY. NOBODY WHO THINKS INFANTICIDE IS OKAY FOR ANY REASON, EVER, WILL EVER BE ALLOWED NEAR MY DAUGHTER IF I CAN HELP IT. PERIOD. CLEAR ENOUGH?

You are getting very close to namecalling and a warning. Let's calm down, shall we?
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Excuse me for not really caring.
Excuse me for not really caring about the poor widdle fetuses.

I ask you, if you knew Nazis were set about killing babies 7 miles away from your home, would you sit there and cry when someone blew up thier crematorium? So why is it okay for someone to take a living baby out of someone's womb, limb by limb, throw it in the trash, and send the mother on her way?
Wow, like that's going to happen, lolz. Wanna know why it's okay? They're aborting fetuses, not killing babies. Big difference.

I will try to be nicer about pushing my non-murderous agenda on others. Maybe they should think about NOT pushing thier murderous agenda on society. I have to live here too, and I will always care about other people's children. Children ARE my business. I fight very hard to end child abuse, and I have researched abortion from every angle for the past year, have you? Do you know what child abuse is? It's ripping apart a baby limb by limb. That's the most severe form of child abuse I can think of.

The fact is, women are having abortions without ever knowing what it is, and when they find out, they are 3 times more likely to commit suicide than someone who gave birth instead.
I was abused as a child. Don't try to push OMG IT'S CHILD ABUSE on me. It's a FETUS. Even if it was alive enough to realize wtf was going on, it wouldn't remember it anyway. I remember when I was abused.

Huge. Freaking. Difference.


Wanna know why people commit suicide after they have an abortion? People like you. People like you who shove this bs over on them and try to make them feel HARBL for making a choice. When everyone around a woman (friends, family, partner, random dimwits on the street) who just had an abortion is calling her an evil babykiller who is going to hell, it's no wonder they commit suicide.

I find it very hard to believe that when you have surgery done you don't know what's going on. I've had five (surgeries) now, each time I was completely informed of what was going on. I fail to see how a medical procedure like abortion would be any different. Hell, it's even a law in some southern state you have to tell women before they get an abortion that it "will increase their chance of getting breast cancer", even though that has been proved a pile of crap.


There is also a huge difference between a 7 week old fetus and a 7 year old child.
 

johnnys4life

Pro-life Mommy
Jensa said:
Johnnys, carrying a baby to term is much more dangerous, mentally and physically, than having an abortion. Post-partum depression can kill the mother and the child, but I don't hear very many people decrying the horrors of getting pregnant and carrying a child to term.
WWW.AFTERABORTION.ORG. Studies show that a woman who has an abortion is 4 times more likely to die in the year following the abortion than someone who gave birth instead. Many of these deaths are from suicide. Please look up the facts.
I am not against abortion to save a woman's life, though it is almost never necessary. There are other ways. My friend Suzanne found out she had cancer when she was pregnant. Doctors begged her to have an abortion, she chose life. She had her baby prematurely, a healthy little girl named Maggie. She lived, it has been years and years, and she has recovered completely from the cancer. Her daughter is healthy as well. She tells me all the time that she knows in her heart she did the right thing, and thanks God that she is pro-life.

Jensa, I AM SORRY BUT I AM THROUGH TALKING TO YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL, as I AM 100% CONVINCED that anyone who supports abortion is supporting murder, whether they realize it or not. I also HONESTLY KNOW THAT GOD LOVES YOU AND I DON'T WISH ANYTHING BAD FOR YOU, EVER. I HOPE YOU LEARN AND LOVE AND GO THE RIGHT WAY IN LIFE. IF YOU THINK ABORTION IS JUSTIFIED AS A CHOICE, AND NOT JUST TO SAVE A WOMAN'S LIFE, I HOPE IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE MISINFORMED, NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE TRULY INDIFFERENT TO HUMAN SUFFERING. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS A JOKE. I LOVE MY DAUGHTER AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HER SEE ME CRY BECAUSE I'm SO upset because I KNOW THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE OUT THERE JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ALMOST CONVINCED ME TO KILL HER, WHICH WOULD'VE ALSO KILLED ME. SO I AM PUTTING YOU ON MY IGNORE LIST FOR NOW, FOR HER, AND BECAUSE I CANNOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY. PLEASE TRY TO OPEN YOUR MIND A LITTLE AND REALLY CONSIDER BOTH SIDES. Many women who have abortions DO REGRET IT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. SEE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/articles/tellingothers.htm

DO SOME RESEARCH. AND I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS, PLEASE LOOK UP ALL THE FACTS.
I HAVE. I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
johnnys4life said:
WWW.AFTERABORTION.ORG. Studies show that a woman who has an abortion is 4 times more likely to die in the year following the abortion than someone who gave birth instead. Many of these deaths are from suicide.

Again, perhaps this is from the constant attacks from the anti-choice crowd. I think I would be a little depressed too if people were constantly in my face calling me evil and a child abuser. What do you think? Again, do you sometimes think that your speech does more harm than good? Let's assume for a moment that a RF member had had an abortion, and is reading this thread, do you think that you've done anything here to show them God's love or just that you think they are nasty people you don't want your daughter around?
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Well, since Johnnys won't see what I say, I guess it'd be kind of pointless to reply. But eesh, enough with the "I'LL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL" crap. :rolleyes: I already get that enough as it is.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Studies show that a woman who has an abortion is 4 times more likely to die in the year following the abortion than someone who gave birth instead. Many of these deaths are from suicide. Please look up the facts.
And I explained in my post above why so many commit suicide.


Jensa, I AM SORRY BUT I AM THROUGH TALKING TO YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL, as I AM 100% CONVINCED that anyone who supports abortion is supporting murder, whether they realize it or not. I also HONESTLY KNOW THAT GOD LOVES YOU AND I DON'T WISH ANYTHING BAD FOR YOU, EVER. I HOPE YOU LEARN AND LOVE AND GO THE RIGHT WAY IN LIFE.
LOLZ.

Putting things in caps doesn't make it TRUE.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
I was abused as a child. Mentally, physically and in other ways. (I'm sure I don't need to list them.) My dad, after finding out that my mom was pregnant, suggested an abortion. So did her boss.

Do you think, while I was being abused, I wouldn't have given everything to have been one of the ones 'lucky' enough to have been aborted?

So please stop the name calling and calm down. It is seriously not healthy to concentrate so much on one thing, as I mentioned in the other thread. I used to be terrified, when I was in an extremely right-wing church, that I would abort a baby. That came from being surrounded by talk of it all the time. The fact that I was 10, never had sex and wasn't even considering having sex did not seem to make a difference. The pro-lifers in the church scarred me so badly that I would have nightmares, and wake up screaming in fear of possibly aborting a child.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
On a sidenote, would someone mind suggesting to Johnnys (since I can't) that she might need to get offline for a bit if this is making her cry? If the internet starts affecting you that much, you probably need to take a break.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
I was abused as a child. Mentally, physically and in other ways. (I'm sure I don't need to list them.) My dad, after finding out that my mom was pregnant, suggested an abortion. So did her boss.

Do you think, while I was being abused, I wouldn't have given everything to have been one of the ones 'lucky' enough to have been aborted?
General agreement.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Like I said, focusing too much on an issue. I just noticed you said you've been researching this for a year. If I looked at war photos for a year, I'd be psychologically scarred, too.

Maize said:
Let's assume for a moment that a RF member had had an abortion, and is reading this thread, do you think that you've done anything here to show them God's love or just that you think they are nasty people you don't want your daughter around?
No longer being a Christian, I'd say that this is the type of thing that drove me away from that 'version' of God's love in the first place.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
FIH: I am truly sorry for your experience. I was raised in such a religious environment too, that I was scared to do anything for fearing I would do something that God would punish me for. This is what I mean by radical speech that does more harm than good. No matter how far away I get from that line of thinking and environment, it still effects me. Although now it mostly angers me instead of scaring me.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
jamaesi said:
General agreement.
I'm so sorry to hear of your abuse; I realize that there is nothing that I can say to make you feel better. Have you ever thought of trying to help other abused women? (There must be a charity that would welcome help from someone like you, who have had to endure the worst; I am just trying to think of something positive for you and for others - think about it?):)
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
johnnys4life said:
By law, it is a petty crime. If they touch you, it is assault, if they don't, it is not.
By law it may be a petty crime, but I can tell you from personal experience, when some loon walks up to you in the street and starts having a go for no apparent reason then it's pretty scary - even if you've seen him do the same thing to 3 other people. To have someone walk up to me and start abusing me in such a manner that indicated that they knew who I was. what I did for a living,(and probably where I and my family live), then I tell you that regardless of what the law has to say about it it would not be petty to me. If 'by law' is the fallback position, then 'by law' abortion is not even a petty crime.
 

almifkhar

Active Member
abortion is a choice i don't think i could make for myself under any situation, but i don't think for one minunte it should be outlawed and i certianly don't think anyone should be stalking doctors who perform abortion. murder or not pro lifers need to consider one thing. abortion is a decision a woman makes on her own and she alone will have to deal with the consequences when she meets the great spirit. besides if aborition was outlawed, think of how many more unwanted and abused children would be out there and think about how their frame of mind is going to be when they reach adulthood.
 
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