Ask a Catholic

[paarsurrey]

Serenity Now said: ↑
The only apostle at the cross was John. To whom did Christ give the keys of heaven?

How do you know that even John was there?
Do Matthew, Marks, Luke mention him? Please
All (12) disciples of Jesus, betrayed Jesus as per NT Gosples, and fled away never to return. Not even the "RocK" did return, he proved to be a heap of sand. Didn't he? Please
Regards

John couldn't be there.What was he doing there? Had he been so brave then he would have fought with those who were crucifying Jesus? Had he even a believer in Jesus-God as the Church make us believe; what harm could have occurred to John in fighting? His , Jesus-God, would have resurrected him from the dead once Jesus had resurrected himself.

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[paarsurrey]

"Ask a Catholic"

The Catholic is not there to respond. Where they have flown away? Please
Any other of Christianity people to respond or a NT Bible Thumper, please. No disrespect intended.
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[Serenity Now]

How do you know that even John was there?
Do Matthew, Marks, Luke mention him? Please
All (12) disciples of Jesus, betrayed Jesus as per NT Gosples, and fled away never to return. Not even the "RocK" did return, he proved to be a heap of sand. Didn't he? Please
Regards

Yes I am sure that John was there and it is recorded in the Gospel of John.

The problem with your posts is that you are picking out parts of the accounts but following them all the way through. Peter was forgiven and asked by Christ 3 times if he loved Him and Peter responded yes all 3 times and was told by Christ to feed his sheep and lambs. At the end of the day we are all "heaps of sand" but God loves us anyway and it is through Him that we will one day be perfected.

 

[Serenity Now]

Serenity Now said: ↑
The only apostle at the cross was John. To whom did Christ give the keys of heaven?

John couldn't be there.What was he doing there? Had he been so brave then he would have fought with those who were crucifying Jesus? Had he even a believer in Jesus-God as the Church make us believe; what harm could have occurred to John in fighting? His , Jesus-God, would have resurrected him from the dead once Jesus had resurrected himself.

Regards

John was actually looking after Jesus' mother and it was from the cross that Jesus asked him to take Mary into his home and continue to do so.

"Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son. Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home. John 19:25-27

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes I am sure that John was there and it is recorded in the Gospel of John.

The problem with your posts is that you are picking out parts of the accounts but following them all the way through. Peter was forgiven and asked by Christ 3 times if he loved Him and Peter responded yes all 3 times and was told by Christ to feed his sheep and lambs. At the end of the day we are all "heaps of sand" but God loves us anyway and it is through Him that we will one day be perfected.

John was not there. Had he been there Matthew, Marks and Luke would have mentioned it?
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[paarsurrey]

John was actually looking after Jesus' mother and it was from the cross that Jesus asked him to take Mary into his home and continue to do so.
"Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son. Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home. John 19:25-27

So, you confirm that after, as per Gospel of John, Jesus told one disciple the only one male at the seen, to take care of Jesus' mother, the disciple took Mary the Mother to his home, so both Mary and John did not witness the Crucifixion to its end. This is a confirmation that all the 12 disciples were absent from the scene of the Crucifixion. Ladies were braver and steadfast than the Christian men. Right?

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[Serenity Now]

So, you confirm that after, as per Gospel of John, Jesus told one disciple the only one male at the seen, to take care of Jesus' mother, the disciple took Mary the Mother to his home, so both Mary and John did not witness the Crucifixion to its end. This is a confirmation that all the 12 disciples were absent from the scene of the Crucifixion. Ladies were braver and steadfast than the Christian men. Right?

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They were there at the Crucifixion until the end.

 

[Serenity Now]

John was not there. Had he been there Matthew, Marks and Luke would have mentioned it?
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John was there.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
John was not there. Had he been there Matthew, Marks and Luke would have mentioned it?
Regards

John was there.

Then support your claim with your reasonable argument, please . One may get help from the fellow Christians. Please
Any other from the Christian people! Please
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[Serenity Now]

paarsurrey said: ↑
John was not there. Had he been there Matthew, Marks and Luke would have mentioned it?
Regards

Then support your claim with your reasonable argument, please . One may get help from the fellow Christians. Please
Any other from the Christian people! Please
Regards

I did there is an eye witness account in his Gospel. I'm not sure what else I can give you, so you either believe him or not.

Let's be real here. You are basically trying to find issues with semantics which is never a strong argument. It is universally accepted by all Christians that John was there as recorded in the Gospel of John.

Believe it or not but an eye witness account is sufficient.

 

[paarsurrey]

I did there is an eye witness account in his Gospel. I'm not sure what else I can give you, so you either believe him or not.
Let's be real here. You are basically trying to find issues with semantics which is never a strong argument. It is universally accepted by all Christians that John was there as recorded in the Gospel of John.
Believe it or not but an eye witness account is sufficient.

Even all the Christians of the world combined cannot invent a fact, if it never happened. If it did happen then even one should be able to give reasonable arguments for it .The truth is very clear, none of the twelve disciples or the scribes who wrote four-Gospels was an eye-witness. They did not write first hand account of the event as they were not there. Very simple, please.
Any other from the Christian people! Please

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[Serenity Now]

Even all the Christians of the world combined cannot invent a fact, if it never happened. If it did happen then even one should be able to give reasonable arguments for it .The truth is very clear, none of the twelve disciples or the scribes who wrote four-Gospels was an eye-witness. They did not write first hand account of the event as they were not there. Very simple, please.
Any other from the Christian people! Please

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You're just choosing to ignore what is written to fit your own agenda.

 

[Deeje]

Even all the Christians of the world combined cannot invent a fact, if it never happened. If it did happen then even one should be able to give reasonable arguments for it .The truth is very clear, none of the twelve disciples or the scribes who wrote four-Gospels was an eye-witness. They did not write first hand account of the event as they were not there. Very simple, please.
Any other from the Christian people! Please

John 19:25-30:
"But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He *said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” Then He *said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth. 30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit." (NASB)

Mary Magdalene, another Mary and Jesus' mother, along with with the apostle John (the beloved disciple) had observed the goings on of the day. They were with him.
Jesus entrusted the care of his mother to a beloved disciple rather than to his remaining siblings who were not yet believers. His concern for his mother's spiritual welfare was of the utmost priority to him. But saying that from "that hour" John took her to his home, doesn't mean that they were missing when Jesus expired, which the scripture says happened shortly after those words were said. After Jesus' death Mary would have needed consoling for her loss in such awful circumstances.

John 19:38-42:
"After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body. Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there."

Jesus' body was laid in the new tomb temporarily until proper burial procedures could be carried out after the Sabbath.
Mary Magdalene was first on the scene on Sunday morning....only to find the tomb empty.

Is there a reason why you believe that all of his apostles should have been there to witness something so heartbreaking? Their Lord and Master had been taken from them and treated so badly by his own kinsmen...his fellow Jews. They could be next.

And after his resurrection, Jesus demonstrated to Peter that all was forgiven when he told him to "feed his sheep".
It was Peter who was entrusted with "the keys of the kingdom" opening up the way for Jews, Samaritans and finally gentiles to become disciples of Jesus Christ.

 

[Neo Deist]

Mary Magdalene was first on the scene on Sunday morning....only to find the tomb empty.

Actually the Gospels all tell a different story about who was at the tomb. That is to be expected when the authors of those books are anonymous, were not eyewitnesses to Jesus, and are retelling a story they heard decades after the fact.

 

[Deeje]

Actually the Gospels all tell a different story about who was at the tomb. That is to be expected when the authors of those books are anonymous, were not eyewitnesses to Jesus, and are retelling a story they heard decades after the fact.

Yes, yes, the Bible is nothing to do with God...move along, nothing to see here....

God's word as an instruction to the human race was left to the contrivance of men in order to make God into an idiot. Really?

The gospels do not contradict, they complement one another. Why do you think there are four of them? What one misses, the other records. When a detail is missing from one, it is supplied by the other. It is one complete story.
Your observation is pure ignorance talking again.

Can I ask what you are an "Ordained Minister" of exactly? Sadly your lack of Bible knowledge is glaringly obvious.

 

[firedragon]

Yes, yes, the Bible is nothing to do with God...move along, nothing to see here....

God's word as an instruction to the human race was left to the contrivance of men in order to make God into an idiot. Really?

The gospels do not contradict, they complement one another. Why do you think there are four of them? What one misses, the other records. When a detail is missing from one, it is supplied by the other. It is one complete story.
Your observation is pure ignorance talking again.

Can I ask what you are an "Ordained Minister" of exactly? Sadly your lack of Bible knowledge is glaringly obvious.

I like you a lot. Marry me.

But sis, there are many contradictions in the bible. I know this is a faith issue but do you really wanna do a small analysis?

Oh, I shouldnt call you sis. (Hope you know I am kidding aight)

Cheers.

 

[Deeje]

I like you a lot. Marry me.

Nah, sorry, already spoken for.

But sis, there are many contradictions in the bible. I know this is a faith issue but do you really wanna do a small analysis?

Any anomalies in the Bible are minor discrepancies that do not alter the Bible's overall message. The message cannot be tampered with.
A small analysis? Sure, why not?

Oh, I shouldnt call you sis. (Hope you know I am kidding aight)

I never take you seriously FD...except when you are serious. LOL

 

[firedragon]

Nah, sorry, already spoken for.

Ah shuks. Lol.

Any anomalies in the Bible are minor discrepancies that do not alter the Bible's overall message. The message cannot be tampered with.
A small analysis? Sure, why not?

When you say overall message you maybe right Deeje. But there are discrepancies. See they are not only a mistranslation or in need of renewed work on it, they cannot be reconciled.

I never take you seriously FD...except when you are serious. LOL

One day I called a Bible scholar "Madam". Where I come from, madam is a very honourable phrase to call a woman. You basically make them royal. But bloody hell, she got so pissed off she almost threw a microphone at me. Lool. Will never forget that. Thats why I like to make sure that I say I am kidding.

 

[firedragon]

• You must accept that none of the Gospel authors were eye witnesses. No scholar ever accepts them to be eye witnesses. The Gospels are called Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because, well, what else could you call them? They are also named Gospels because, well again, what else could you call them? I dont know. No one knows.
• These books are written in Greek, by highly qualified, educated authors. Of course, Mark is the first and John is the last, but we have a theory that the two other synoptic gospel writers used Mark as their primary source and other superficial sources Q & L. Thus there is no way to 100% believe they have any divine inspiration or absolute validity.
• In Mark it says that Jesus died after the Passover meal. John says that Jesus died before the passover meal or on the day of preparation. Is it before or after?
• What time did Jesus die. 9 AM as said by Mark or later in the afternoon as said by John? No point pointing out all differences.

These are some of the problems. There are many discrepancies. But if you take each Gospel as a whole, these differences do not change the overall theology.

Raymond Brown talks heavily on the evolving theology from Matthew to John. Do you agree that the theology evolved from Mark to John?

Yes, one can argue that they could be complementing eachother. So, does that mean Mark knew that John would exalt Jesus to the status of Divinity a generation later when he wrote his Gospel and left it to John to complete it?

 

[serp777]

I am well versed in Catholic Apologetics for I spent a year in a monastery studying it all.

I put this in the debate section that you may challenge and fire your arrows at the Pope!

How about this one: the current pope takes most things in the bible metaphorically. he might as well be a deist, or rather, a cultural christian. One wonders whether he actually believes that Jesus was literally the son of God.