Bishka
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This is the third in a part of "Ask a Mormon Series" Part Two (Found here) is getting to be over 70 pages, so I thought I would start a new one.
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[B said:Mark 14:32-36[/B] ]
They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, "Sit here while I pray."
He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled.
"My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death," he said to them. "Stay here and keep watch."
Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him.
"Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."
Just reposting my question from the end of the last thread.
How does this passage fit in with your concept of Jesus being the willing sacrifice, volunteering before the world began to descend to Earth and purify man through his death?
He seems to be scared, worried, even unwilling to go through with it here. What is your take on this?
I think He was scared, but not unwilling. He didn't do anything other than ask His Father if there was another means by which the Atonement might be accomplished. To me, one of the most important things this scripture teaches is that the Father and the Son are distinct from one another. We have two "wills," each independent of the other. A single substance could not possibly have two wills. A Father and a Son, each with a will of His own, though, could. It also shows that, even in the most extreme situations, Christ consistantly assumed a subordinate role to His Father. He had done so pre-mortally, He did so during His mortality, and I would do so even after His Resurrection and Ascension into Heaven. Therefore, the notion that the two are "co-equal" is shown to be false.Just reposting my question from the end of the last thread.
How does this passage fit in with your concept of Jesus being the willing sacrifice, volunteering before the world began to descend to Earth and purify man through his death?
He seems to be scared, worried, even unwilling to go through with it here. What is your take on this?
My personal take on this is very non-Mormon, even non-Christian. Jesus was a man, a very enlightened one, but just a man. He can and should be counted with all the great prophets, but was he god's literal son, our savior? Enlightened, yes, perhaps even ascended to a higher plane.
Yes, as a matter of fact. I once mentioned that I was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints to a group of people. About a half hour later the conversation turned to mormonism, and nobody even looked at me for answers.
Here's a story that will make you laugh. Several years ago, following a series of toronados in the midwestern United States, the Church sent volunteers to assist the thousands of displaced families who had lost pretty much everything they had. A newspaper reporter, describing their service, noted that two churches had been of tremendous assistance to the people of the area: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Mormon Church. True story.I dont know about you guys, but I know a lot of people who dont know what "LDS" is if you say it to them! Yet as soon as you say mormon... its "ahhhh!!!!! of course!" - Anyone else get this?
Here's a story that will make you laugh. Several years ago, following a series of toronados in the midwestern United States, the Church sent volunteers to assist the thousands of displaced families who had lost pretty much everything they had. A newspaper reporter, describing their service, noted that two churches had been of tremendous assistance to the people of the area: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Mormon Church. True story.
The Church has no official doctrine regarding the marital status of Jesus Christ. I have seen arguments presented (mostly by non-LDS scholars) which suggest that He may have been. The bottom line is that we don't know. Apparently it is not important enough to our salvation for God to have revealed it to our Prophets.Do mormons believe that Jesus Christ was married and had children? I heard one Mormon guy on tv(From Salt Lake City) say that he did. If so, this is strange to my understanding and where would you go for this information.
Most of us are open to the idea, and think that it is likely that he was married. FFH isn't among that group thoughDo mormons believe that Jesus Christ was married and had children? I heard one Mormon guy on tv(From Salt Lake City) say that he did. If so, this is strange to my understanding and where would you go for this information. Thank you and God bless you,
Athanasius
Most of us are open to the idea, and think that it is likely that he was married. FFH isn't among that group though
We don't have anywhere that we "went" for that information. It's merely speculation - but, to me at least, it seems logical (30 yr old Jewish guy at a time when it was expected for a 30 yr old Jewish guy to be married, especially if he were a teacher, without any explanation as to why he wasn't married; we believe that "exaltation" requires marriage, and i have no doubt that Christ is "exalted"; etc). It wouldn't bother me to find out that he either definitely was or definitely wasn't though.
This was the thread that never died on the subject: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29819
The Church has no official doctrine regarding the marital status of Jesus Christ. I have seen arguments presented (mostly by non-LDS scholars) which suggest that He may have been. The bottom line is that we don't know. Apparently it is not important enough to our salvation for God to have revealed it to our Prophets.
This might help: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132 Specifically verses 15 - 20.I have heard of marriage sealings in the temple, are these true? Is it in mormons theology that a marriage can be eternally sealed in heaven? Or what is the understadning of this? Just curious? If so then what do you do with Marks Gospel hwere Jesus says that nonone is married in heaven(MK 12:25)? I am not trying to debate, Im just trying to undertstand. I hope I have not offended anyone asking this. If this is just a rumor then I am sorry. I do not wish to believe false rumors about your theology. I appreciate the mormon Churches love for Jesus and desire to get at truth. Thank you and God bless you
This is a copy of a post I wrote a long time ago. It's kind of long, but if you care to plow through it, it may shed some light on this issue.I have heard of marriage sealings in the temple, are these true? Is it in mormons theology that a marriage can be eternally sealed in heaven? Or what is the understadning of this? Just curious? If so then what do you do with Marks Gospel hwere Jesus says that nonone is married in heaven(MK 12:25)? I am not trying to debate, Im just trying to undertstand. I hope I have not offended anyone asking this. If this is just a rumor then I am sorry. I do not wish to believe false rumors about your theology. I appreciate the mormon Churches love for Jesus and desire to get at truth. Thank you and God bless you