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Ask Angellous about his beliefs (Christianity)

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angellous_evangellous

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So do you choose which parts of the bible you want to believe? Much of the bible is just recorded history, and much is simply instructions for Christian living.

Almost none of the bible is "recorded history" -- except for some small portions of Jeremiah. A lot of it has historical value, but the great majority of the bible is not and does not pretend to be a history book commenting on facts in a chronological order with correct sequencing and descriptions of events / locale.

Yes, much of the NT is "instructions for Christian living," but it was written for first century Hellenized Jews and Romans and not for arrogant 21st century biblical literalists. The writers had their audience in mind and had no intention at all for it to be used two thousand years after it was written.

No, I don't choose parts of the bible that I want to believe. Christianity chose me, and the bible is part of the deal. My point is that people created, preserved, compiled and translated the bible and the continuation of this process is just as important as it was in the first century (etc). The process is ongoing and is a critical part of the expression of the Christian faith.
 

Meishere

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Almost none of the bible is "recorded history" -- except for some small portions of Jeremiah. A lot of it has historical value, but the great majority of the bible is not and does not pretend to be a history book commenting on facts in a chronological order with correct sequencing and descriptions of events / locale.
That is just silly. The old testament records the historical journey of the Jews 40 year journey from Egypt to the holy land, and Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles are all historical accounts. Not to mention Joshua, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and much of the prophet books. Just sayin it aint so because it doesn't fit in your own little theological spin is outrigh heretical, and borderline humorous. The problem is, you have nothing to back your spin up with.
Yes, much of the NT is "instructions for Christian living," but it was written for first century Hellenized Jews and Romans and not for arrogant 21st century biblical literalists. The writers had their audience in mind and had no intention at all for it to be used two thousand years after it was written.
The new testament was written for Christians of all ages. You will have to show me "in the bible" where it states that it is only to be used by first century Christians. The fact is, you have nothing to back up your heresy, only speculation. I have the bible. I suppose if you dismiss the bible you can have your own little revised angellous version.

2Jo 1:10 ¶ If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Rom16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Gal1: 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Rev22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Prov30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

No, I don't choose parts of the bible that I want to believe. Christianity chose me, and the bible is part of the deal. My point is that people created, preserved, compiled and translated the bible and the continuation of this process is just as important as it was in the first century (etc). The process is ongoing and is a critical part of the expression of the Christian faith.

No the process isn't ongoing. The canon was finished when the new testament was compiled nearly 2000 years ago. Some people want to put their own little spin on the gospel so they must remove those parts which disagree with their heretical views. You have no documents whatsoever to back up your new age version of the gospel. That in and of itself is reason to dismiss your views. If not give me anything that will back up your spin and I will consider it. I'm betting you wont.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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That is just silly. The old testament records the historical journey of the Jews 40 year journey from Egypt to the holy land, and Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles are all historical accounts. Not to mention Joshua, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and much of the prophet books. Just sayin it aint so because it doesn't fit in your own little theological spin is outrigh heretical, and borderline humorous. The problem is, you have nothing to back your spin up with.

It's only humorous because you don't know anything about history or biblical interpretation.

The archaeological reports related to the Jews' fourty year journey indicate that it never happened when coservatives think that it did. Further, there is no archaeological evidence that anything in the conquest happened, and where there are excavations, the findings are contrary to a literal reading of the bible. Esther and Jonah don't even pretend to be historical in nature.

The new testament was written for Christians of all ages. You will have to show me "in the bible" where it states that it is only to be used by first century Christians.

Whatever.

No the process isn't ongoing. The canon was finished when the new testament was compiled nearly 2000 years ago. Some people want to put their own little spin on the gospel so they must remove those parts which disagree with their heretical views. You have no documents whatsoever to back up your new age version of the gospel. That in and of itself is reason to dismiss your views. If not give me anything that will back up your spin and I will consider it. I'm betting you wont.

Of course I do. I can show you scores of different bible translations that use different textual theories. As more texts are found, the bibles are edited and translated again.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Hm, rephrased: AE, who are your favorite Bible scholars?

I like a lot of scholars. I read a ton of classicists, philologists, biblical scholars, philosophers and theologians.

In no particular order, my personal favorites are:

L. Michael White
Troels Engberg-Pederson
David Balch
Caroline Osiek
J. Fitzmyer
A. Thistelton
Warren Carter
Bruce Winter
E. A. Judge
Craig Keener
Hans Dieter Betz

I also hold in high respect some scholars that I have significant disagreements with:

E. E. Ellis (affectionately known as triple-E) - rip. He refused me as a doctoral student, and I'm glad that he did. Ellis was an evangelical scholar who would have sent me down a much different view.

Justin Meggitt (a positivist historian)

William Harris (another positivist)

Bishop Lightfoot
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Do you think Christianity is a good source for morality? Is morality from a religion even possible?
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Do you think Christianity is a good source for morality? Is morality from a religion even possible?

Yes, Christianity is a good source for morality. I view morality as inherently religious, but it must be in the most general terms. For example, living a life inspired by God that is enriched by faith, hope, and love would be characteristic of Christian morality. However, Christianity does not provide one with the tools to make more complex choices.

Ethics are "secular," and should be. I say "secular" because the philosophers that are used to build ethical systems are often religious people. The sanatization of ethics from religion is a modern development, and I think that is extremely useful but detremental to a humanist application of ethics. That is to say that an ethical system that pretends that religion is useless to the human experience begins with a low anthropology that has been so destructive in the past.
 
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