Ask Madhuri a Question about Hinduism

[sumaidi]

Have ever read about the sodom and gomorrah, cities that the people did homosexual activities? if i said "all men.." yes its seemly impossible, that just for giving extreme example. but if many people have these ( homosexual ) its may happen, just like in sodom and gomorrah. what happened then? were the lived in peaceful?
madhuri, the idea is if in hinduism homosexual is not forbidden, i think hinduism is not complete, some clearly rules have to be add there.

 

[Madhuri]

With all due respect Sumaidi, I think that you are wrong and I think that Islam is wrong. I think the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is fictional too. I also think that Hinduism is far superior, hence why I follow it.

 

[sumaidi]

Of course its not fiction. okay, if you still agree with the idea that homosex is not forbidden, imagine that your father do this with your neighbour of brother ( sorry if i make extreme example). they love each other. do you think its okay? don't you think that hinduism must make it clear, something allow to do and something forbidden?

 

[Madhuri]

Of course its not fiction. okay, if you still agree with the idea that homosex is not forbidden, imagine that your father do this with your neighbour of brother ( sorry if i make extreme example). they love each other. do you think its okay? don't you think that hinduism must make it clear, something allow to do and something forbidden?

You were brought up with the idea that same sex relationships are wrong and therefore you of course think this situation is wrong. It would bother me just as much if my father was having sex with another man than if he was having sex with another woman. I do not see same sex relations as wrong or gross. The only thing I think is wrong is when a person is unfaithful to their partner. I value monogamy.

Hinduism makes it clear that sex within marriage is important. It doesn't say that 2 men or 2 woman cannot get married. I know gay couples who are monogamous with children and their family is loving and strong, more so than many heterosexual couples I know.

 

[Madhuri]

Of course its not fiction.

I do not know ho you expect me or others to react to a statement like this. I am just as likely to say: of course it is fiction. There is really no discussing this.

 

[sumaidi]

I do not know ho you expect me or others to react to a statement like this. I am just as likely to say: of course it is fiction. There is really no discussing this.

Sorry madhuri if i make it is missunderstanding because of my lack of english ability. honestly, my english is so poor. im from indonesia. sometimes may be you think thats it stupid qoute or just attacking you personally, but i really don't mean that. sorry, one again. i want to show you all my respect to you.

lets start again, let me give you yes no question, please answer it yes or no. thats simple. i want to know about your opinion in hinduism.
1. if your father having sex with your neighbour ( a man) in marriage relation, does it prohibited?
2. do you agree with no prohibition in homosex and lesbian?

 

[Vinayaka]

Madhuri, I know this is your thread, and I admire you in attempting to answer all questions, but sometimes it nears on the inane (or insane.) Keep going, girl.

 

[Madhuri]

Sorry madhuri if i make it is missunderstanding because of my lack of english ability. honestly, my english is so poor. im from indonesia. sometimes may be you think thats it stupid qoute or just attacking you personally, but i really don't mean that. sorry, one again. i want to show you all my respect to you.

lets start again, let me give you yes no question, please answer it yes or no. thats simple. i want to know about your opinion in hinduism.
1. if your father having sex with your neighbour ( a man) in marriage relation, does it prohibited?
2. do you agree with no prohibition in homosex and lesbian?

There is only one thing I do not appreciate, which is if you are trying to convert me or tell me my religion is wrong in this thread which is not meant for debate but only for answering people's questions about Hinduism.

1. Hinduism discourages sex outside of marriage. One should only have sex within marriage.

2. I think that homosexuals (gay and lesbian) should be able to get married.

 

[sumaidi]

i appreciate you much for keep answering my questions. did i ever said your religion is wrong? incomplete, several thing are not clear enough, that's the idea. if one tells me wrong or right about anything that i exactly wrong or right, i will appreciate it. because his aim is good, to make me better ( in his point of view).
okay, its clear to me now that's in hinduism there is no prohibition about gay and lesbian, and you agree with that.
1. madhuri, what about marriage in a family, for example you marry with your brother, is there any prohibition in hinduism?
2. what is the punishment for they who have sex outside marriage in hinduism?

 

[Vinayaka]

i appreciate you much for keep answering my questions. did i ever said your religion is wrong? incomplete, several thing are not clear enough, that's the idea. if one tells me wrong or right about anything that i exactly wrong or right, i will appreciate it. because his aim is good, to make me better ( in his point of view).
okay, its clear to me now that's in hinduism there is no prohibition about gay and lesbian, and you agree with that.
1. madhuri, what about marriage in a family, for example you marry with your brother, is there any prohibition in hinduism?
2. what is the punishment for they who have sex outside marriage in hinduism?

1) Hindus do not marry brothers or sisters. In some communities, first cousin marriage is common.
2) Hindus don't believe in a dictated societal punishment. The 'punishment' for adultery is guilt firstly, and karma for causing pain to another person or persons. But the rate of adultery in Hinduism is low, as is divorce, especially as compared to the west. Generally Hindus have very happy and successful marriages with all parties feeling content and happy.

Madhuri might have different answers. But as she said, this thread was to answer questions, not really intended for debate. But if you want to start something similar in the debates forum, go ahead.

 

[Maya3]

Yes this is Madhuris thread.
If you want to debate you can go to the debate section and we can all help explain.

Maya

 

[sumaidi]

1) Hindus do not marry brothers or sisters. In some communities, first cousin marriage is common.
2) Hindus don't believe in a dictated societal punishment. The 'punishment' for adultery is guilt firstly, and karma for causing pain to another person or persons. But the rate of adultery in Hinduism is low, as is divorce, especially as compared to the west. Generally Hindus have very happy and successful marriages with all parties feeling content and happy.

Madhuri might have different answers. But as she said, this thread was to answer questions, not really intended for debate. But if you want to start something similar in the debates forum, go ahead.

Hello Vinayaka, thanks for the answer.
1. for this question ( no 1 question), i agree with you.
2. for 2nd question, i'd rather disagree. feeling of guilty and karma, i judge this as a soul 'punishment' for they who is good faith in god. logically, as no punishment for a adultery, it will be higher in number than if there is a clearly punishment. don't you think so, Vinayaka? my idea is, it should clearly mention in hinduism the punishment of adultery.
and what about clothing, what parts of body of women and men should closed by clothes in hinduism?

 

[Madhuri]

2. for 2nd question, i'd rather disagree. feeling of guilty and karma, i judge this as a soul 'punishment' for they who is good faith in god. logically, as no punishment for a adultery, it will be higher in number than if there is a clearly punishment. don't you think so, Vinayaka? my idea is, it should clearly mention in hinduism the punishment of adultery.
and what about clothing, what parts of body of women and men should closed by clothes in hinduism?

Like I said earlier, Hinduism teaches us principles. Our scriptures are not law books. And God trusts that we are intelligent enough to apply those principles to our lives as best we can.

Karma is a system that teaches us right and wrong. When we do something bad, the universe sends us a lesson and we become better people. Some people need to learn the same lesson many times before they mature.

In Hinduism, we believe that we live so that we can learn. If we just follow rules, we learn very little. Hinduism teaches us the meaning of why we should or should not do certain things.

One of the principles taught in Hinduism is chastity, which you call modesty. There are no rules about what kind of material one should wear or which body part should be covered. But it only takes common sense to understand what it means to be modest. We apply this to all aspects of our lives, which include being faithful to our spouse, not trying to seduce people we are not married to, not having illicit sex, etc.

 

[Maya3]

Hello Vinayaka, thanks for the answer.
1. for this question ( no 1 question), i agree with you.
2. for 2nd question, i'd rather disagree. feeling of guilty and karma, i judge this as a soul 'punishment' for they who is good faith in god. logically, as no punishment for a adultery, it will be higher in number than if there is a clearly punishment. don't you think so, Vinayaka? my idea is, it should clearly mention in hinduism the punishment of adultery.
and what about clothing, what parts of body of women and men should closed by clothes in hinduism?

God doesn't punish people. We each learn from our own mistakes.
Like Madhuri said, Hinduism does not have law books that tells you that you have to do this or that. Hinduism is to reach an understanding that you are part of God, God is not a separate being who sits and doles out punishments for human actions.
We ourselves are responsible for our actions.

When it comes homosexuality there is no difference. We believe that we are more than our bodies, we are part of god. If this incarnation has a gay orientation or a straight one doesn't really matter.
What matters is if you live a good life and if you are a person who are nice to other people, and the planet with all it's environment and life.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

Hello Vinayaka, thanks for the answer.
1. for this question ( no 1 question), i agree with you.
2. for 2nd question, i'd rather disagree. feeling of guilty and karma, i judge this as a soul 'punishment' for they who is good faith in god. logically, as no punishment for a adultery, it will be higher in number than if there is a clearly punishment. don't you think so, Vinayaka? my idea is, it should clearly mention in hinduism the punishment of adultery.
and what about clothing, what parts of body of women and men should closed by clothes in hinduism?

You should disagree. You're a Moslem. If you agreed with Hindu principles, you wouldn't be a very good Moslem, and you might be subject to some sort of punishment from your own religion. But I won't debate you. It is a waste of both of our times. Conversely, if I started believing in Islam, (which certainly isn't about to happen any time soon) I wouldn't be a very good Hindu.

But to further elaborate, we have another principle called anava, which basically means 'ignorance' or lack of proper knowledge. It's like babies not knowing how to walk. When they grow up, they can walk. So adultery happens because of the religious person still being a baby in the religion. Would you punish a baby for not being able to walk? No. You would just understand it for what it is ... anava.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

Hello Vinayaka, thanks for the answer.
1. for this question ( no 1 question), i agree with you.
2. for 2nd question, i'd rather disagree. feeling of guilty and karma, i judge this as a soul 'punishment' for they who is good faith in god. logically, as no punishment for a adultery, it will be higher in number than if there is a clearly punishment. don't you think so, Vinayaka? my idea is, it should clearly mention in hinduism the punishment of adultery.
and what about clothing, what parts of body of women and men should closed by clothes in hinduism?

sorry to interrupt, but i would like to add my two cents on this one.

As Madhuri (and others) has said its principals of human conduct that are advised in Hinduism.

Hinduism focuses on Dharmah, and regarding adultery i think it would be going against ones Dharmah as a wife/mother or husband/faher ect in a relationship.

Its generally advised (Traditionally) that before committing to a relationship the couple are to judge the best of the opposite sex, including but not limited to intellectual, spiritual, emotional, social/family background, sexual attraction and personal compatibility, this somewhat selection process removes any ambiguities before fully committing to marriage life. Each individual has a right to choose who they want to spend their lives with, its a choice and Hinduism gives guidelines on how to make this choice, but the final word is of the individual.

If there is adultery committed in a relationship the only rules apply are which are established in the country or the governance of where it was committed, for example In "Indian culture (Bharatya Darmah)", Smriti such as Manu, Parasara ect were utilized.

But spirituality is kept separate from social concerns, so Hinduism (spiritual religion) generally do not have exact Laws, because a Hindu can be a Indian or non Indian so depends on which state Laws one Hindu is living under that Hindu must abide by the Laws of the Land. If Adultery is a crime in one nations Laws then A Hindu (Indian or Non Indian) must not break the Law.

Anyway my view.

OHM TATH SATH

 

[sumaidi]

thanks to you all guys for giving me the explanation about hinduism. nice to share with you all with respecting each other. if i say something that you feel it low respecting you or hindu, exactly, i don't mean it. once again, its because of my lack of english language ability and your country culture .
Vinayaka, you have a wrong perception of my explanation, what i agree with is about your explanation that no marry between brother and sister, but in the first cousin marriage is common. i agree because im a moslem, and the same within islam rules.
if you think that adultery happens because of the religious person still being a baby in the religion
then it should not be punished? i have a friend from bali, he is a hindu, he told me about adulteries he has done. he is about 50 years, if he still baby in religion then i think may be that he will become a baby for ever (because of his age now). he told me that many person ( hindu) in bali did it ( adultery).
for madhuri, if hinduism give the principles it may be difference of each person perception, for example about not trying to seduce people we are not married to, not having illicit sex, etc. some girls think that use bikinis is no problem and other don't think so.
maya, you said that : "God doesn't punish people. We each learn from our own mistakes".are you sure that is hinduism principle? yes, it good if someone can learn from his mistakes, but what about if he never wants to learn from the mistakes? and he likes to do mistakes until end of his life?
i think it better to give exact explanation about limitation in wear, what part of body should or not be covered ect, because human perception are difference.
and should be there is a clearly punishment for adultery so that it can minimize the adulteries in the world.
btw, thanks for sharing in high respect of each other.

 

[Vinayaka]

i have a friend from bali, he is a hindu, he told me about adulteries he has done. he is about 50 years, if he still baby in religion then i think may be that he will become a baby for ever (because of his age now). he told me that many person ( hindu) in bali did it ( adultery).

I agree. He is a baby in the religion. But I wouldn't trust the opinion of one man either. Mature Hindus never even think of it. But its because we're mature, not because of some rule. By the way, what is the punishment in Islam, out of curiosity?

 

[Maya3]

Sumaidi,

maya, you said that : "God doesn't punish people. We each learn from our own mistakes".are you sure that is hinduism principle?

Yes I'm sure. Hindu thought is completely different from Abrahamic thought (Muslim/Christian/Jewish).
God is not an outside force who punishes those who don't behave.
You are part of God, God is within.
Like Viniyaka said if you are new in the religion, not meaning that you became Hindu yesterday. But that you have not lived for that many lifetimes and are not in touch with your inner self that much yet, you might make mistakes easier and you have to travel on this path for a long time. Many more lifetimes until you realize who you are.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

In fairness to Madhuri, I've decided to start a new thread. This one has been derailed enough. My apologies as I was a main offender. So please lets take this discussion to the thread called Adultery in the comparative religion section.