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Ask Me About Noachidism

Rival

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Does Noahidism entail reincarnation? (as suggested in the other thread?)
No. Reincarnation is believed in a certain form by certain Jews, and whilst a Noachide can take on that belief, I don't believe he is bound by it.
 

Brickjectivity

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From Considering becoming Noahide | Religious Forums

I've been tagged and I thought I may as well just answer anyone's questions in a dedicated thread.
Many questions and little time to write them down (because I am going to bed in a couple of hours.) Take your time answering, or skip if you'd rather.

Does it seem to you (as it does to me) that calling oneself a 'Noachide' implies that Noah is one's ancestor in a very familial and familiar sense? I mean isn't it like saying that all Noachides are in a special family as opposed to those who don't keep with Noachide laws? Does it not also imply that Noachide men should be like Noah, men of the soil, farmers?

Genesis 9:17 in most bibles seems to say that the rainbow is the 'Sign' of the covenant. What the heck does that non English usage mean? A sign? A sign is something that directs you upon a road, tells you what is behind a door, warns you about traffic etc. It makes no sense to say 'Sign of the covenant'. How do you make sense of this phrase?

Does calling one's self a Noachide make one into a 'Not really a Jew' sort of like a knock off shoe? The reason I ask is that the entire religion seems to be defined and constructed in the writings of another. It appears that a Noachide has no claim to interpret their own scripture.

So...Noah is a righteous man compared to killers, but he's got issues when it comes to his own family. He condemns one brother (Ham) to have no inheritance, no tents of his own. Are we to believe that Noah's decision is a wise one? What can we learn from this decision? Is it a foolish decision? What is the result of making Ham live in the tents of others? Does this remind you of a Noachide living by using the scripture and interpretation of the Jews?

Why does Noah have a drinking problem? Does he have any responsibility for his mistake -- the one that he punishes Ham for revealing? Does the scripture or any commentary state that Noah did or should have learned from the experience? Does he ever get over his drinking? Does Ham truly deserve to be tentless?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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Why does Noah have a drinking problem?
I'll let Rival give her take on this, but personally I understand him to having been deeply depressed. Almost everyone he knew had just died and now he has the burden of repopulating the world to boot. Harsh is an understatement. There's a nidrash that states that Noach brought two types of plants with him onto the ark: grapevines and fig shoots. Both show that he planned things ahead: Figs are plants that burn well, so they were used as firewood for the altar he built. And the grapes? His world was collapsing. He knew how he would feel when he left the ark.
 

Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
I'll let Rival give her take on this, but personally I understand him to having been deeply depressed. Almost everyone he knew had just died and now he has the burden of repopulating the world to boot. Harsh is an understatement. There's a nidrash that states that Noach brought two types of plants with him onto the ark: grapevines and fig shoots. Both show that he planned things ahead: Figs are plants that burn well, so they were used as firewood for the altar he built. And the grapes? His world was collapsing. He knew how he would feel when he left the ark.

I shall also let Rival give her take, but our Rebbi told us that the reason for the vineyard goes back to
Adam. The forbidden fruit was not the apple but the grape. Forbidden as it was not yet Shabbat.
Noach attempted to complete Adam's unfinished Kiddush but got drunk.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
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Does it seem to you (as it does to me) that calling oneself a 'Noachide' implies that Noah is one's ancestor in a very familial and familiar sense? I mean isn't it like saying that all Noachides are in a special family as opposed to those who don't keep with Noachide laws? Does it not also imply that Noachide men should be like Noah, men of the soil, farmers?
It would firstly depend on what one believes about Noach; whether he existed as a historical figure.

Noachides aren't really a family as such as the whole world is meant to be Bnei Noach, whilst still having different cultures and languages etc. I'm not sure how much of a family one could call that.

No, men can do whatever they want for work, providing it's legal.

Genesis 9:17 in most bibles seems to say that the rainbow is the 'Sign' of the covenant. What the heck does that non English usage mean? A sign? A sign is something that directs you upon a road, tells you what is behind a door, warns you about traffic etc. It makes no sense to say 'Sign of the covenant'. How do you make sense of this phrase?
It is a sign in that it tells you there is a covenant and reminds you of it. Other words may be used in other versions.

Does calling one's self a Noachide make one into a 'Not really a Jew' sort of like a knock off shoe? The reason I ask is that the entire religion seems to be defined and constructed in the writings of another. It appears that a Noachide has no claim to interpret their own scripture.
Bnei Noach, strictly speaking, have no scripture and they were around before the Moasaic Covenant, so they're akin to pretty much everyone in Genesis. One may call it more a spirituality that goes to Judaism for direction if it wants it, but all of this hasn't really been worked out halachicly yet. It's a new phenomenon as most of the world was and is Christian and Islamic, so dealing with the finer points of a Noachide society is yet to happen.

So...Noah is a righteous man compared to killers, but he's got issues when it comes to his own family. He condemns one brother (Ham) to have no inheritance, no tents of his own. Are we to believe that Noah's decision is a wise one? What can we learn from this decision? Is it a foolish decision? What is the result of making Ham live in the tents of others? Does this remind you of a Noachide living by using the scripture and interpretation of the Jews?

Why does Noah have a drinking problem? Does he have any responsibility for his mistake -- the one that he punishes Ham for revealing? Does the scripture or any commentary state that Noah did or should have learned from the experience? Does he ever get over his drinking? Does Ham truly deserve to be tentless?
Noach is not necessarily a wise man, but, according to one reading, only more righteous than everyone around him at the time - not a very high bar in those days. I suspect he was just doing what most folks would have been accustomed to do. As far as I can tell, God told him to be fruitful twice, and Noach never was. We only have his sons' genealogies. Noach is a complex figure.
 
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Rival

Diex Aie
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Something I am curious about is whether or not you find your current path more satisfying spiritually than the Noahide stuff?
I still find myself praying to HaShem when I'm really distressed. Make of that what you will.

Do Noahides believe in universal salvation for followers of religions such as Hinduism and others?
'Salvation' in this sense is a Christian concept, so the question makes no sense in that context. If you mean, can followers of other religions reach a kind of meaningful afterlife then yes, if they've been good. There seem to be a few takes on this though and the afterlife as a whole is more complex than one finds in other Abrahamic religions.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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I shall also let Rival give her take, but our Rebbi told us that the reason for the vineyard goes back to
Adam. The forbidden fruit was not the apple but the grape. Forbidden as it was not yet Shabbat.
Noach attempted to complete Adam's unfinished Kiddush but got drunk.
That's interesting, though I don't really understand why the kiddush was incomplete if he did end up drinking the wine.
 

Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
That's interesting, though I don't really understand why the kiddush was incomplete if he did end up drinking the wine.

IDK, maybe he never said the blessing? Maybe it didn't really count?
(He was not commanded to do that, it was his own idea I think)
 

danieldemol

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If you mean, can followers of other religions reach a kind of meaningful afterlife then yes, if they've been good.
That's what I meant, can a good idol worshipper attain a meaningful afterlife?
Thanks for your answer.
 
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