Ask me any bible related question!

[savagewind]

I believe the bible is gods word. I believe it is 100%. and the reason I say this is because there are some difficulties that can be solved. Many of the difficulties are non viable.

I think you might mean viable not non viable. Am I right?

 

[savagewind]

Do you believe that it is God's will that Matthew 24:19 Matthew 28:19 should say that to disciple means to make disciples?

 

[anonymous9887]

Then why did Jesus choose him as a disciple? That seems a rather self-destructive thing. Would you choose an unrepentant street thug as a deacon in your church? If so, and they end up knifing the pastor of the church, whose fault would that be exactly? In other words, do you believe if Judas was a bad person from the get go, he would have been chosen as a disciple of Jesus, by Jesus himself?

One could argue he was because God had a plan and knew Judas would be the one to do that dirty deed that fulfilled that plan, but that then is nothing short of an act of wilful suicide using another to do it for you, sort of like "death by cop", where someone gets the cops to shoot them for them because they don't have the courage to do the act themselves. Are the cops responsible?

What this would mean then is that Jesus manipulated another human being to fulfil the plan, played him like the man with a sawed-off table leg plays the cops to think it's a shotgun so they shoot him. That's not an example of what I see as the God of Love in action. Is it to you?

Whether or not the street thug chooses to take advantage of an opportunity or not is on him, but he can never say he wasn't given a chance. in court you cant be convicted for a crime you dont commit. So if god gave him a chance and he rejected it, that is on the person, because he made that choice not god.

 

[anonymous9887]

I'm fine with that, but it does not address the question I asked. We can get truth out of Harry Potter novels and Tom Sawyer stories, too.

We can get facts from those book, but would those books meet a criteria of a book you would expect if it were inspired of god?

 

[anonymous9887]

I always felt it would actually be more loving to simply obliterate/destroy a soul, rather than to place it into a realm of eternal torture. If the judge (God) is unwilling to ever let the soul back out of "hell," then how is this a more loving act than simply destroying the soul, at which point it is spared the suffering?

Even here on Earth we "put [things] out of their misery" when we realize the suffering is great, and that the end is imminent. Why would eternal torture ever be the better option? Especially if one claims to love the person being judged. And even more especially if that love is said to be "unconditional."

Does The Bible say anything about the destruction of the soul as an option versus casting into hell? I guess we should first establish whether or not The Bible actually confirms the existence of hell as a place of eternal torture in the first place. So that is my ultimate question - does The Bible affirm the existence of hell as a place of eternal torture?

No the bible tells us that the dead know nothing at all. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
Psalm 146:4 Ezekiel 18:4

 

[anonymous9887]

Why do non-believing trolls hover at ReligiousForums (and religious forums) like flies on rotted meat?

Because for some reason they dont like religious people. Maybe they have been treated badly or disrespectfully by religious people. Although evil for evil doesn't make sense either.

 

[anonymous9887]

I would caution against such threads because they inevitably seem like a kind of street fight challenge where the OP says the equivalent of "bring it!" to everyone out there and any and all can ask an open-ended variety of questions. The topics of discussion in such threads become many and diffuse and those wishing to join into your thread would have to search through a lot to find the topic of their interest. The center of the thread is never the topic but the individual who created the thread. And respectfully and honestly we don't want to talk about you, but about various topics of mutual concern organized into separate threads.

I general I think it is more in keeping with the design of a forum to narrow your scope to more particular topics. Participate in existing threads that get your interest and create more specific threads in the relevant forum area when you have a topic you specifically want to address and lead a discussion on.

If they choose to come crazy at me fine. the purpose is to have a data base of questions to study. And quite honestly I dont think I am conducting myself in a disrespectful manner even to those that may be deliberately rude. What do you think?

 

[Audie]

I believe the bible is gods word. I believe it is 100%. and the reason I say this is because there are some difficulties that can be solved. Many of the difficulties are non viable.

Nobody should doubt you believe
it though your actual reason may
different than stated.

You say many can be resolved, and
who knows, as you do not specify.

Some of course, cannot be. Tho to
some apologists, down is up,
as necessary.

You made no mention of my comment
about accuracy. Hard to deny the lack
of accuracy! If you have no prob with
"God's word" being inaccurate, that will
make life easier, esp if you are into,
you know, cognitive dissonance.

 

[anonymous9887]

Wow. A thread like this is going to be ripped apart by non-Christians/Jews/Muslims.

Its all good. Its all questions. What is there to be afraid of. The way we conduct ourselves shows our true colors.

 

[anonymous9887]

But it is a little interesting. Non-believers trying to proof believers wrong. Believers trying to proof non-believers wrong. And doing so for decades already. Maybe deep down the non-believer does believe, or does want to believe, or hopes there is a God. At least he cares a lot, so much that he spends years disproving something he didn't belief in, in the first place.

So that we can all have a productive discussion we must be able to turn our emotions off and be able to speak to one another in a respectful manner. we are all human and deserve to be treated as such. Luke 6:31

 

[anonymous9887]

What happens if the missionary gets a flat tire and one dies before hearing him speak?

If you did not get a chance to attain accurate knowledge of god and you die then you will be given a chance at a resurrection at the 1000 year rein. gods thoughts on dying or being judged without accurate knowledge Jonah 4:10-11

 

[anonymous9887]

Well, that's a step in the right direction anyway.

we are always learning

 

[anonymous9887]

THEY (most other people) keep on telling me that to disciple for Jesus means to be making more disciples. I don't believe it. I wonder if you do.

I believe we help them become disciples and become positive encouragement. Jehovah draw people in. We show information they choose to accept god not us and we help each other out.
Proverbs 27:17
Hebrews 10:24-25

 

[anonymous9887]

"Stone the woman she's pregnant ". Or do you ascribe to children's fantasy Mary was a virgin literally did not have sex?

If you insist on thinking as a child well then we have nothing to discuss. The text is not written by children It's written for children by grown ups.

Well that just shows what kind of man Joseph was, he was a good man and god spoke to him and told him the story was not made up. I do take that as a historical account, just the fact that god can do such things.

 

[anonymous9887]

Do you believe that it is God's will that Matthew 24:19 Matthew 28:19 should say that to disciple means to make disciples?

make disciples in that we collect those who are rightly disposed to gods message. and again we each sharpen each other by our relationship with god. We become an encouragement to one another by our faith and knowledge.

 

[anonymous9887]

Nobody should doubt you believe
it though your actual reason may
different than stated.

You say many can be resolved, and
who knows, as you do not specify.

Some of course, cannot be. Tho to
some apologists, down is up,
as necessary.

You made no mention of my comment
about accuracy. Hard to deny the lack
of accuracy! If you have no prob with
"God's word" being inaccurate, that will
make life easier, esp if you are into,
you know, cognitive dissonance.

how about you show me the inaccuracies? I believe it is 100% reliable and accurate based on the ability to resolve the issues no problem.

 

[savagewind]

make disciples in that we collect those who are rightly disposed to gods message. and again we each sharpen each other by our relationship with god. We become an encouragement to one another by our faith and knowledge.

I understand that. But, to be making people into disciples seems to be a real part of "all scripture is inspired of God" which means it is God's will that we make other people into disciples of Jesus. That was my question to you. You didn't answer it imho.

I understand that someone might see that the Christian life I am leading is something that he or she might like and so he or she decides to follow Christ. But, do you see a problem with that? I see many problems. Here's one. Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35.

....God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Here's another one. 1 Corinthians 13:13

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

I know it is a fact that a person can have faith in God, hope and love but not be a disciple of Jesus.

Also, nowhere else in ALL scripture is there any proof that the work of a believer in God is to be making more believers in God.

I think that if a person does good and obeys the law he is acceptable for works respecting God's will be done.

So? Why has God ordered the making of disciples of Jesus?

That is my question.

 

[dianaiad]

We can ask you. That is the beauty of free will, I can start a thread and the people that choose to ask a question can. Everybody matters

Oh, everybody does. That means that I can ask if the person I'm asking has any expertise or authority to answer my questions, or if the one inviting such questions is just massaging his own ego.

(shrug)

I'm old. I don't have time to learn things from people who don't know those things.

 

[stvdv]

To answer your question, Jesus is the only way to life however there are a few things to take into consideration.
1. 1st of all not a single human can tell you that you personally will go to hell (for us this means to be put asleep eternally). God and Jesus are judges.
2. Jehovah god understands each persons circumstances and their situation. Example yes Jesus is the way, but if the person didnt get a chance to examine the bible and confirm it as truth he would get a second chance during the 1000 year rein. So it depends on the circumstances on how you will be judged. Nobody knows your life.
3. Now if you absolutely know what is right and truth and dont care and oppose god with full accurate knowledge that is a different story, and we cant judge who has this knowledge either. The best bet for any person in any situation is to repent and change their ways and god is merciful.
4. As far as black magic goes, you can repent and god would gladly accept you. Mark 3:28-29. There were people in the book of acts who practiced black magic and repented from their ways. Acts 19:19-20
5. one must carefully examine whether or not the bible is from god or not, but if you ask me "if black magic is real then obviously god has to be real.

Hope this helps and encourages!

Thank you for going through all my questions. Especially happy to see that we agree on point 1: That's a major important point IMHO.
1: I fully agree. We humans better never "sit on God's chair" making judgments in name of God [=blasphemy=death in the Bible]
2: I agree that God understands each situation. I disagree that Hindu Scriptures [also God's gift] are insufficient, and they still need Jesus.
3: Not sure what you meant with this. Maybe here you say "if you are sure about Hindu Scripture then it can be okay; God will know"
4: You misunderstood the question I think. I asked about Christians using "Emotional Blackmail" (can be also called Black Magic) when telling different believing human "You go to hell, unless accepting Jesus". I explained it in the post [see link below] if you want to know more about this.
Russia is Rounding up Jehovah's Witnesses.
5: Nice observation

You seem like a very kind person. I hope you get a good and useful database out of all the questions.

Love, Peace and Blessings to us all

 

[David T]

Well that just shows what kind of man Joseph was, he was a good man and god spoke to him and told him the story was not made up. I do take that as a historical account, just the fact that god can do such things.

Please grow up. This makes the entire narrAtive seem like mother Mary is a fraud and Joseph is an idiot. And Mary Magdalene a.hallucinating mad woman.