Ask me any bible related question!

[Jayhawker Soule]

Interesting order, but perhaps we'll get to that later ...

Kudos. I'm impressed.

So, by "Ask me any bible related question" you really meant "Ask me any bible related questions that I deem important"?

You could ask me, and I will take a look at them and we could discuss them.

OK, let me try again ...

... What is your preferred translation of Genesis 1:1-3, why, and what is the implication of that choice?

So, if I understand your response, you prefer the "JPS Hebrew English Tanach and my [sic] New world translation," but seem unaware that, with respect to Gen. 1:1-3, they differ. Which rendering do you believe to be preferable and why?

Parenthetically, what JPS source do you employ?

 

[Audie]

Feel free to ask me about the theology of scripture, manuscripts, life biggest questions, alleged contradictions, context of passages etc... I dont know everything but I like to hear the objections and the difficult questions and problems people have with scripture. Please provide the references if possible, and any relevant evidence.

Alleged contradictions?

But never mind. Hows about this.
Do you feel the Bible is inerrant? Accurate? True?
Reliable?

We note for example the value of Pi as derived from
a description in Kings, of a big tub or something.

From that, we get Pi=3. Approximately true, but, only approximately.

Now, divers ways have been thought up, to deal with that.
"different cubits for C and D" is a good one. Thickness
of rim is another.

But no matter. The means of measuring, the irregularities in
the tub itself will rule out the possibility of anything but rather
approximate measurements.

Lots of other approximations in the Bible.

How close to exact does something need to be, to be
accurate, reliable and true?

90% ? 10% ?

 

[Audie]

I have heard both sides, and I believe that it can hold up. I like to get to the root of an issue. Give me the one hitter quitter on Noah’s ask. The irrefutable argument. I will look for it, but I have seen it.

Of course, as you set your own standard for "irrefutable" nothing will ever
do that if you so choose.

However, the presence of well over a hundred thousand years of ice in antarctica does show that there was no world wide flood. Perhaps if you
had seen it, you'd see there is something wonky in t he flood story.

It is irrefutably present.

 

[Trackdayguy]

I have a question

In the account of Jesus being captured by the religious leaders after his supposed betrayal in the garden we appear to have lots of recorded conversations with Jesus and his accusers when the text says that all of his followers had run.

"So how do we end up with a word for word account of the conversations between Jesus and his accusers"

1. Was someone recording every word.
2. Did the Romans give a press conference and release a transcript of the conversation
3. How did the Gospel writers get their hands on the script some 30 years after Christ died
4. Or was this all made up.

I think comment 4 is the only obvious answer, which means that the text is not accurate. Because know one knows what was said behind closed doors. KNOW ONE.

 

[anonymous9887]

I have a question

In the account of Jesus being captured by the religious leaders after his supposed betrayal in the garden we appear to have lots of recorded conversations with Jesus and his accusers when the text says that all of his followers had run.

"So how do we end up with a word for word account of the conversations between Jesus and his accusers"

1. Was someone recording every word.
2. Did the Romans give a press conference and release a transcript of the conversation
3. How did the Gospel writers get their hands on the script some 30 years after Christ died
4. Or was this all made up.

Of course the disciples were eye witnesses of Jesus life, but one thing to remember is, this is God’s word so the writers were under inspiration of Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:21

 

[Trackdayguy]

Of course the disciples were eye witnesses of Jesus life, but one thing to remember is, this is God’s word so the writers were under inspiration of Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:21

Seriously that's your answer. For you sir that may be a very convincing answer, but I suggest for the masses its a nonsense.

If you go into any court with that answer they would eat you alive.

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Of course the disciples were eye witnesses of Jesus life, but one thing to remember is, this is God’s word so the writers were under inspiration of Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:21

Can you name the disciples that were present during Jesus's interrogation by the authorities

 

[Windwalker]

Judas was a person that had a bad heart from the get go

Then why did Jesus choose him as a disciple? That seems a rather self-destructive thing. Would you choose an unrepentant street thug as a deacon in your church? If so, and they end up knifing the pastor of the church, whose fault would that be exactly? In other words, do you believe if Judas was a bad person from the get go, he would have been chosen as a disciple of Jesus, by Jesus himself?

One could argue he was because God had a plan and knew Judas would be the one to do that dirty deed that fulfilled that plan, but that then is nothing short of an act of wilful suicide using another to do it for you, sort of like "death by cop", where someone gets the cops to shoot them for them because they don't have the courage to do the act themselves. Are the cops responsible?

What this would mean then is that Jesus manipulated another human being to fulfil the plan, played him like the man with a sawed-off table leg plays the cops to think it's a shotgun so they shoot him. That's not an example of what I see as the God of Love in action. Is it to you?

 

[stvdv]

I have a question

In the account of Jesus being captured by the religious leaders after his supposed betrayal in the garden we appear to have lots of recorded conversations with Jesus and his accusers when the text says that all of his followers had run.

"So how do we end up with a word for word account of the conversations between Jesus and his accusers"

1. Was someone recording every word.
2. Did the Romans give a press conference and release a transcript of the conversation
3. How did the Gospel writers get their hands on the script some 30 years after Christ died
4. Or was this all made up.

I think comment 4 is the only obvious answer, which means that the text is not accurate. Because know one knows what was said behind closed doors. KNOW ONE.

That's nice found "Know ONE knows the answer [know that there is one who knows the answer = God]"
So I agree the humans 99% sure filled in the ...dots... themselves. Unless holy spirit filled in the ...dots...
That is always possible [saints just have little more access to "divine database" as normal fisherman]
But if I were God I would also test them. Just make a few errors, just checking if they use God's given common sense
[Knowing that Trackdayguy + others would debunk it 2018 years later]

 

[outlawState]

I have a question

In the account of Jesus being captured by the religious leaders after his supposed betrayal in the garden we appear to have lots of recorded conversations with Jesus and his accusers when the text says that all of his followers had run.

"So how do we end up with a word for word account of the conversations between Jesus and his accusers"

1. Was someone recording every word.

The answer I think would be yes to (1). As in every trial, a lot of it is recorded for posterity by court recorders. In fact I think even the unredacted Talmud contained some account of Jesus' (Yeshu Notzri's) trial, which is believed to be authentic. Search for "jesus of nazareth's trial in the uncensored talmud - Tyndale House".

Yet in addition to any formal records there were of course numerous servants and hangers-on everywhere, and such things as were said could be expected to be widely broadcast.

 

[Trackdayguy]

The answer I think would be yes to (1). As in every trial, a lot of it is recorded for posterity by court recorders. In fact I think even the unredacted Talmud contained some account of Jesus' (Yeshu Notzri's) trial, which is believed to be authentic. Search for "jesus of nazareth's trial in the uncensored talmud - Tyndale House".

Yet in addition to any formal records there were of course numerous servants and hangers-on everywhere, and such things as were said could be expected to be widely broadcast.

I think your on very thin ice, but if your happy believing that then I'm happy for you, as long as you don't start telling other people what you believe is true. ITS TRUE FOR YOU.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Another question

Can you name the 12 disciples? because its crystal clear that the Bible is very confused about who they are.

 

[Milton Platt]

It’s not whether it’s true it’s the truth we get out of it when we read it. You can get life transforming truth from reading a cerial box.

I'm fine with that, but it does not address the question I asked. We can get truth out of Harry Potter novels and Tom Sawyer stories, too.

 

[Trackdayguy]

I'm fine with that, but it does not address the question I asked. We can get truth out of Harry Potter novels and Tom Sawyer stories, too.

What was your question, sorry I must have missed it...

 

[stvdv]

One could argue he was because God had a plan and knew Judas would be the one to do that dirty deed that fulfilled that plan, but that then is nothing short of an act of wilful suicide using another to do it for you, sort of like "death by cop", where someone gets the cops to shoot them for them because they don't have the courage to do the act themselves. Are the cops responsible? This means Jesus manipulated another human being to fulfil the plan. That's not an example of Love, IMHO.

Jesus died for our sins
Jesus died by our sins [makes more sense to me]

a) translation error
b) writer was not capable to tell/face the truth [being responsible]
c) Church conveniently manipulated the truth to create this story to have power over humanity for the next 2018 years

* I go for option c)

 

[stvdv]

The answer I think would be yes to (1). As in every trial, a lot of it is recorded for posterity by court recorders. In fact I think even the unredacted Talmud contained some account of Jesus' (Yeshu Notzri's) trial, which is believed to be authentic. Search for "jesus of nazareth's trial in the uncensored talmud - Tyndale House".

Yet in addition to any formal records there were of course numerous servants and hangers-on everywhere, and such things as were said could be expected to be widely broadcast.

You mean like we now have the internet?
I remember our hearsay game [whisper a little story to neighbor] when young.
Just 10 people, within 10 min the story changed 180 degrees.
If hearsay be the case I can't believe there to be much accuracy in the story anymore

Then I am more inclined to believe the Church just made a nice story that was of benefit to the church
That makes much more sense to me

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Is god's love unconditional? ... if they committed really horrible sins and they repent, god forgives them (Mark 3:28-29).But if they refuse to do what is right even after discipline what else can be done? So my question to you is how should these unrepentant cases be handled?

I always felt it would actually be more loving to simply obliterate/destroy a soul, rather than to place it into a realm of eternal torture. If the judge (God) is unwilling to ever let the soul back out of "hell," then how is this a more loving act than simply destroying the soul, at which point it is spared the suffering?

Even here on Earth we "put [things] out of their misery" when we realize the suffering is great, and that the end is imminent. Why would eternal torture ever be the better option? Especially if one claims to love the person being judged. And even more especially if that love is said to be "unconditional."

Does The Bible say anything about the destruction of the soul as an option versus casting into hell? I guess we should first establish whether or not The Bible actually confirms the existence of hell as a place of eternal torture in the first place. So that is my ultimate question - does The Bible affirm the existence of hell as a place of eternal torture?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Feel free to ask me about the theology of scripture, manuscripts, life biggest questions, alleged contradictions, context of passages etc... I dont know everything but I like to hear the objections and the difficult questions and problems people have with scripture. Please provide the references if possible, and any relevant evidence.

Why do non-believing trolls hover at ReligiousForums (and religious forums) like flies on rotted meat?

 

[sealchan]

You dont have to be on the thread. You are using your free will to reply to me. I am simply saying ask me anything about the bible and if I have solid reasoning then you can agree, but if the reasoning is faulty then dont. Just because a person may not have an education does not mean that the person does not have a good power of reason. Everyone deserves a chance to express themselves, no one is greater than anyone. Jehovah examines the heart not the knowledge, or status one possesses 1 Samuel 16:7

I would caution against such threads because they inevitably seem like a kind of street fight challenge where the OP says the equivalent of "bring it!" to everyone out there and any and all can ask an open-ended variety of questions. The topics of discussion in such threads become many and diffuse and those wishing to join into your thread would have to search through a lot to find the topic of their interest. The center of the thread is never the topic but the individual who created the thread. And respectfully and honestly we don't want to talk about you, but about various topics of mutual concern organized into separate threads.

I general I think it is more in keeping with the design of a forum to narrow your scope to more particular topics. Participate in existing threads that get your interest and create more specific threads in the relevant forum area when you have a topic you specifically want to address and lead a discussion on.

 

[Trackdayguy]

You mean like we now have the internet?
I remember our hearsay game [whisper a little story to neighbor] when young.
Just 10 people, within 10 min the story changed 180 degrees.
If hearsay be the case I can't believe there to be much accuracy in the story anymore

Then I am more inclined to believe the Church just made a nice story that was of benefit to the church
That makes much more sense to me

If one studies church history it will confirm your conclusions, its number 3 beyond a question of doubt