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RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
1) Reading the parables in the Gospels, and comparing their message with Saint Paul's theology (present in his epistles) don't you think that there are evident contradictions, especially as for the passages about salvation?
I think that the theologies express the same thing two different ways. But I would need an example.
2) Can someone be called Christian, even if they totally reject some passages in Paul's epistles (but accept all the rest)?
I think that if a person has experienced the things that Paul talks about they can see the beauty in them. So, while I don't think the Scriptures can contradict, they can confuse a person. And God does not author confusion, therefore the Bible is not the Word of God. (Maybe Jesus is actually talking about good works and not soteriology in those passages. :shrug:)
3) In your opinion: is Christianity a theocentric or an anthropocentric religion?
Theocentric all the way. In a way though it's about God and man in relationship together, but God initiates it.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
So for a while there, God said OK to slavery. He, what, changed his mind?

I thought morality was objective and unchanging?
Okay, I think Malachi 3:6-7 is trying to say that God's view of morality has never changed. Slavery has always been wrong, man is just now catching up. Focus on verse 7.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
There is no grand purpose. Each of us is to determine our own personal purpose. IMO, of course.
Was asking Mr. Dragon, thank you. But my question stands in any case. We are here. So why? You don't need to posit a grand purpose to answer that question. And I feel it sits at the very root of Christianity - when you worship the "Son of Man" it seems to me suiting have some idea of what men are and what they mean - but am always happy to learn new Christian perspectives on it.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
What is a human being, exactly? What are we for?
A human being is basically a product of theistic evolution that can partake in a relationship with God. But, he is in need of God's grace because of out forefather Adam's sin. Adam was the first primate to evolve into a human.

We are here to enjoy life, each other, and know God intimately.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Was asking Mr. Dragon, thank you.

I'm a butt-in-ski. ;)

We are here. So why?

There is no "why" is what I'm saying. You have to invent your own "why." For me it's to pursue love and adventure. For others it might be to sing or write or care for sick people. Most humans feel we need to have a "reason" and it is my opinion that there is no objective reason for our existence.

Part of why I believe this is thinking about how silly it seems if we bring this down to smaller levels. I stubbed my toe...WHY did I stub my toe. It rained over the weekend when I wanted to go golfing. WHY did it rain when I wanted to go golfing? There is no "why" in my opinion, no reason, it just rained that day or I just stubbed my toe by mistake.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
FYI: I am not an inerrantist (someone who believes the Bible does not contain errors), but I do believe the Bible points us to God. Therefore it is authoritative. I will try to answer you biblically for the sake of some of my other fellow believers and provide you with examples as to how what the Bible says is relevant to what you're asking. I hope all of us learn something new about each other and grow as individuals.
What is it that made the Bible an authoritive source for you?
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
How does the sacrifices in the OT of that point to Jesus sacrifice to sin literally wash away a person's sins?
It's not necessarily that it washes away a person's sins, it covers them.
Are there references outside of scripture that can answer this question and/or how do you interpret the nature of blood in the sense it has washed away your sins?
If the blood is the life of the animal, and Jesus is the lamb of God, (John 1:29) then we are identified with Jesus when his blood is applied to us. Does that make sense
Why use death as a means to receive eternal life?
Well believe it or not, eternal life actually starts the moment you become a Christian.
What is the importance of death as a means of salvation/life?
Our problem is not past lives, our problem is this life. This life, and every human life, is marred by sin. Only by death could the way be opened to us.
That, and can you explain how the Passion can literally do this without the effort of the Christian whether his faith and/or his deed?
Oh, it does take faith in order for the blood to be applied to you. Here's what happened, God came to earth in the form of a man, Jesus, and died and rose again. He didn't ask anyone what they thought of it, he just did it.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
FYI: I am not an inerrantist (someone who believes the Bible does not contain errors), but I do believe the Bible points us to God. Therefore it is authoritative. I will try to answer you biblically for the sake of some of my other fellow believers and provide you with examples as to how what the Bible says is relevant to what you're asking. I hope all of us learn something new about each other and grow as individuals.

I'm finding this is a very interesting thread, RedDragon.
I was wondering if you would mind if I responded to Carlita's question below or would you prefer to be the one doing all the repsonses?.

Why use death to bring life?
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
What is it that made the Bible an authoritive source for you?
Anything that points you to God you should try to make it apart of your life, anything that distracts you from God should be discarded. Since the Bible points to God it is helpful, I guess that's what I mean by authoritative. It's a lot more helpful than any other book about God because it combines the authors' experience of him with teaching on God. The vast diversity of genre speaks to many different situations.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Why use death to bring life?


I am going to answer your question from my perspective and what I see as the significance of death to bring new life as expressed in the the Bible. My answer may or may not be an accurate reflection of RedDragon's view.

I believe death is God's way of dealing with and eliminating sin from the universe forever. Many or pretty much all other religions, including Buddhism, are based on the concept of reform or doing things to fix the broken human nature, whereas I believe the Bible shows that the sinful nature cannot be fixed, but must put to death and be replaced with a new nature, a Christ-like, eternal life.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Hmm. Interest answers.

It's not necessarily that it washes away a person's sins, it covers them.
Hm. I received different answers to this question. Preference in expression?
If the blood is the life of the animal, and Jesus is the lamb of God, (John 1:29) then we are identified with Jesus when his blood is applied to us. Does that make sense

No.

Well believe it or not, eternal life actually starts the moment you become a Christian.

This still needs the death of Jesus to bring resurrection to give the Christian life. The Passion. Life, Death, Resurrection.

Our problem is not past lives, our problem is this life. This life, and every human life, is marred by sin. Only by death could the way be opened to us.

Past lives?

Oh, it does take faith in order for the blood to be applied to you. Here's what happened, God came to earth in the form of a man, Jesus, and died and rose again. He didn't ask anyone what they thought of it, he just did it.

I don't know if the question can be answered by a Christian, honestly. It's not that you can't answer the question; but, the manner in which you (and other questions) answer it does not take into account that outsiders cannot see how what is written over 2,000 years ago can be applied literally to someone today.

For example, when I practiced Christianity, the faith/work was not from Christ to me but to me to Christ. If I read it from Christ to me, it meant nothing. Why? Because I am reading a story or dictation of who Christ is by intermediaries (Disciples) and not Christ himself. When I put myself in Christ's Passion, it means so much more. When I do things for Christ as he said, it meant more. When I became one with his physical body and blood it meant more. Faith alone meant nothing.

So, it sounds like a metaphor when you say "the blood is applied to you".

I liken faiths that actually sacrifice animals in present day because the actual blood and life force is among the person and people who sacrifice the animal to be one with them. It is not just by faith, it is a physical act.

Once you take the physical act and make it strictly from hearsay and words of the Bible, then it looses its meaning.

It is also confusing because it makes it look like many Christians uses metaphors literally which is contradicting the purpose of a metaphor.

The rest I am familiar with.

:fallenleaf:

Basically, it sounds like Christians are using (lack of better words) Christ for Him to cover their sins rather than the other way around (which is written not done in present day and hearsay in the past).

That's not a bad or wrong. It just means that Jesus is a scapegoat and sacrifice for the sins Christians place on him in order for them to die IN Him by his Crucifixion and once dead, they rise again (born again) in his resurrection. The only way this can be is if one lives the Life of Christ to get to the point of his death and resurrection.

Reliving the Passion within oneself.

I only see that in Catholicism. The way Protestants explain it, it's like they are missing something and I just cant put my finger on it.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I am going to answer your question from my perspective and what I see as the significance of death to bring new life as expressed in the the Bible. My answer may or may not be an accurate reflection of RedDragon's view.

I believe death is God's way of dealing with and eliminating sin from the universe forever. Many or pretty much all other religions, including Buddhism, are based on the concept of reform or doing things to fix the broken human nature, whereas I believe the Bible shows that the sinful nature cannot be fixed, but must put to death and be replaced with a new nature, a Christ-like, eternal life.

I understand the logic behind that. My belief is that not every "evil deed" needs to be put to death in order for others to live.

For example, in abortion we say we need to kill the child in order for the mother to live and the child wont live a worst life. Death to give life.

You have capitol punishment where the sins of the criminal is not punished by confinement and rehabilitation but by death and "okay, he's out the picture."

You hear Buddhists (which I don't know if this is true) wont kill a fly or insect because they do not want to kill a life in expense of their being annoyed by their continuous presence in the ceiling and or around light bulbs in the kitchen. (Soo annoying!)

As a country we don't value life as much as we think we do. Even some of our religions Not just Christianity advocate death to save people.

I wont mention the name, but I will say Jane feels that its helpful to take lives in order to avoid overpopulation. While, in my point of view, I disagree with the moral and its still done anyway as if its some type of necessity that death somehow saves the lives of many.

You have wars that don't need to exist. Yet, we say its human nature giving us an excuse to kill at the expense of our egos and "so-called" protection over something that the individual, if handled in proper terms, would not be angry at each other for if properly handled assertively.

You have slave owners and the government, say VA years ago killed many slaves at the expense of white peoples lives because of overpopulation.

I'm sorry, I can continue; but I'll stop there.

:fallenleaf:

The easiest way to put it is I don't see sins as cancer that is slowly killing a person. We kill cancer cells to save a person's life, yes.

In Christianity, it is completely different. The germs are not something we can see under a microscope. I do not have original sin and many people do not have that either. Yet, when someone has cancer, all doctors and people with medical knowledge regardless their field of medicine will know that someone is sick based on the tests done and updated in present day not tests that failed in the past but still used today as if past operations are still useful today. It isn't.

Christianity, in my humble opinion, sounds like it's using old methods to cure new illnesses. It is also not using something physical (say what we can do) but abstract things like faith. (Protestant point of view).

I feel that is the wrong approach to Christianity. If a Christian wants their sins to be covered they need to do what Christ did for them. They have faith of a mustard seed but without deeds, it means nothing.

:fallenleaf:

Lol, anyway. I understand where you come from. I respectfully disagree. Other things I can't disagree with because I dont understand it enough to say so. It's not a part of my life but it influences our world so much in a negative not just positive way that to address it seems important. Hopefully, we can address it without our own bias (negative or positive) and work with people of all faiths rather than try to bring death to those who don't seek god (stay in their sins) and look towards the living.

You don't have to comment on all of this. Just sayin. :)
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I feel that is the wrong approach to Christianity. If a Christian wants their sins to be covered they need to do what Christ did for them. They have faith of a mustard seed but without deeds, it means nothing.


You don't have to comment on all of this. Just sayin. :)

Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I won't comment on all of your points, but appreciate reading them. I do agree that sins cannot just be covered. I see that in the scriptures when one trusts and places their faith in Christ they are to consider themselves to be dead to sin and risen to new life (Romans 6:4 -11;7:4). Then this faith and new life in Christ's power does or should produce good deeds.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I believe that God gives us this life to take responsibility for our past sins and accept the sacrifice of Jesus in order to be forgiven from those sins. One must come to grips with the fact that they are lost without Jesus and repent, that is, come to Jesus. Whoever does not see their sin for what it is lives in self deception, which God will judge. But whoever sees their sin for what it is and trusts in Jesus will be with God in the end, in heaven. So, Jesus is God's "yes" to the world.
I was wondering more about the afterlife of those born in a Christian country but are not Christian and led let's say an average decent life. And then what about those that never heard of Jesus.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I think that the theologies express the same thing two different ways. But I would need an example.
Sure. For example, in the parable of the vineyard and the two sons, Jesus clearly says that God doesn't want words from us, but actions. In other words, he underlines that, if someone says they are Christians, but then don't act like one, they won't be saved. On the contrary, people who are not Christians, they can act like one, even if they don't believe in God. Other parables underline that it's love which saves us from our sins. Jesus read that woman's heart (the woman who washed his feet with her tears) and saw that her love saved her.
So, this contradicts all those passages in which Paul says that we are not saved by our merits, but by simply believing in Jesus and in His sacrifice.

I think that if a person has experienced the things that Paul talks about they can see the beauty in them. So, while I don't think the Scriptures can contradict, they can confuse a person. And God does not author confusion, therefore the Bible is not the Word of God. (Maybe Jesus is actually talking about good works and not soteriology in those passages. :shrug:).
Well...this doesn't answer my question, I can't perceive Christian humility, or Christian compassion when I read most of Saint Paul's passage. It seems that Saint Paul describes humans as victims of their desires, as if they were incapable of choosing good. When he says: "I don't really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead, I do what I hate". This totally contradicts my beliefs about free will and how powerful strength of will is. Besides, I am not a psychologist, but I would want psychologists to analyze seriously and professionally passages like that.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
The sacrifices of the Old Testament point to the sacrifice of Jesus as the ultimate sacrifice for sin. However, without the resurrection there would be no victory.

Which is a bit self defeating.

Either you have a true sacrifice without victory, or a victory without a true sacrifice.

Ciao

- viole
 

miodrag

Member
I believe death is God's way of dealing with and eliminating sin from the universe forever.

Sin is not like a mountain, to be "eliminated forever". Sin comes from a free will and is like a volcano that can create a mountain at any moment. Then, why Jesus sacrificed? Whatever the answer is, it is not for eliminating the sin forever. Since the only way to do that is to make people evolve in a way that they will never abuse their free will. So we all CAN sin, but never WILL. And that is a transformation, or metanoia as Orthodox would put it, or becoming a Christ-like, that would eliminate the sin forever - for that single person only. And that transformation is not about to happen just because Christ died to make it work.
 
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