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Aslan is on the move!

Dark_Waltz

Active Member
SnaleSpace said:
I'm a HUGE fan too. Musta read all the books more than 10 times each. Magicians Nephew rocks the party... that rocks the party.... :sarcastic

I haven't heard good reviews unfortunately, what with the Aslan from Horse and His boy not being included :(.

Everyones going on about the religious stuff. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE just look at it as a good story for once Mr Critic!

Best version I've seen so far is a Cartoon version that was a regular hire for my parents when I came up to our dogs shoulder.

Oh, and did I mention Kiwi Director and shot in NZ :p
Its not obviously religious really...you do have to read into it
 

SoyLeche

meh...
Dark_Waltz said:
Its not obviously religious really...you do have to read into it
I was probably around 10 when I read it for the first time, and I didn't really get the religious aspect of it until Aslan said something to the kids about being in their world too, but in a different form. Come to think of it, that may have been in a later book, I don't remember.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
I think I read the books some 50 plus years ago. Don't rememember a single thing from them, though. I suppose there's as much religion in them as in Star Wash or whatever that movie is called, which I suppose is none at all. Unless you think that wanting to make money counts as a religion.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
anders said:
I think I read the books some 50 plus years ago. Don't rememember a single thing from them, though. I suppose there's as much religion in them as in Star Wash or whatever that movie is called, which I suppose is none at all. Unless you think that wanting to make money counts as a religion.
You obvioulsy know very little about the books or their author if you can make that statement with a straight face.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
From the Sunday Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1920115,00.html

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The problem for liberal intellectuals is that The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, like the whole Narnia series, is overtly Christian, for those that have ears to hear, and therefore religious propaganda and therefore a bad thing. Young minds might be perverted by this insidious stuff. The flames of this indignation have been fanned by the fact that the film has been eagerly taken up by the American Christian right.

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To a child’s mind, however, the world of Narnia is a subtle, magical creation enhanced by his or her own imagination. I have never forgotten the intensity of the moment when I first read about Lucy going through the fur coats in the wardrobe out into the snow of Narnia, as if I were Lucy myself. I must have been exactly the right age and I was entranced. I could not understand why my agnostic mother was so dismissive of it.

Now as an adult I understand what she meant; like her I now think the Narnia stories crude, cobbled together in a clumsy pastiche and sometimes distasteful or sententious (a view to which Lewis’s Catholic friend, JRR Tolkien, was also inclined). I rather agree with some of Philip Pullman’s furious blasts against them. But then The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe seemed and was magical.


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Children are surprisingly indifferent to quality and they are usually impervious to message as well. As a child I did not see that Aslan was Christ, or that he sacrificed himself for wicked Edmund, even though I had had a strong Christian education. Aslan might be Christ crucified in a doctrine you might dislike, in a religion you might reject, but at another obvious level he is just a magic lion in a fairy story.

Given all this, I cannot understand why there is so much antagonism to this film. Why should anyone mind about it one way or another? After all, Disney regularly produces a great deal that is infinitely worse, infinitely more manipulative, sentimental and saccharine. Nobody has to go and see it and most of those children who do will miss any evangelical point, given how ignorant children today are of basic Christian teaching.

Above all, I can’t help wondering why the instincts of secular liberals should be so repressive. It is odd, when one considers that a major part of post-enlightenment secularism is supposed to be enlightened tolerance. Their response strikes me as similar to the response of the British Muslims who burnt The Satanic Verses or the British Sikhs who demanded that a play offensive to their religion be closed.

What both groups have in common — one extremely religious, the other extremely opposed to religion — is a reductive cast of mind. They all suffer from extreme literalism. This is perhaps understandable with religious fundamentalists, including Christians; they all see themselves as people of the book and of the literally true word. With secular fundamentalists it is harder to understand; they have no book or word to refer to; they have no cultural excuse.

To be literal minded is either to be credulous — to believe that ancient writings (and self-contradictory ones at that) are the very word of God — or it is to have a repressed and repressive imagination. In the life of the free mind, by contrast, things can have many meanings at once; things can be true at different levels of the imagination. There are archetypes and myths that are found in all cultures, differently expressed in each, and anyone not oppressed with literal mindedness is free to let them play upon his or her imagination in his or her own idiom.

For instance, it is not necessary to be a Christian to respond to the great artistic achievements of Christian culture; Bach and Mozart and Donne and Caravaggio, as well as poor old Lewis in his way, all still have meaning to the infidel. For unbelievers, religious truths in art are metaphors for other truths. But literalists are the enemies of metaphor and therefore the enemies of art. One might, of course, say that hardly matters; in my experience, art lovers tend to be rather overrated just as philistines tend to be rather underrated. But it is a curious position for members of the enlightened intellectual establishment to find themselves in, along with the fundamentalists. It is rather disturbing, too.



Are liberal critics of The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe being literalists?
 

Todd

Rajun Cajun
I saw the movie today. I read the book about 16 years ago when I was 13. As soon as the movie started, I began to get flashbacks from when I read the book such a long time ago. Regardless of any religious conotations, it was a good movie.

If you are Christian, and have read the bible, you probably see a lot of symbolism of Christ from Aslan, and to me it was very touching.

If you haven't read the bible, then it is still a good movie, and one I recommend seeing.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Dark_Waltz said:
Its not obviously religious really...you do have to read into it
I agree, it's just a case of Secular organisations being dicks.

It's Story. . . Ya' know? FICTION?
 
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