Not any dumber than worshipping some abstract concept in your head that can't even be proven to exist. At least we can see the planets and stars. We owe more to the stars for our existence than some transcendent deity that can't be found.
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Astrolatry anyone?
- Thread starter agorman
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You're probably right. Parenthetically, referring back to post #3, neither my comment nor my quote said anything at all about worship.
That's an interesting claim.
Ok, I am not interested to get myself into magic, or that kind of thinking. I don’t think it is good nor reasonable.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
A good reason to do it!
I myself give offerings and read poetry to the sun, moon, and earth in gratitude. Do I believe there is a spirit or being in them recieving my votives? Not in any scientific sense. But there's an artistry to the ritual that connects me to this bigger system I find myself in.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Are you a polytheist or monotheist?
I dont mean that disrespectfully, I am clarifying because it is very rare I meet someone who practices astrolatry and I do know that there are some who claim to follow astrolatry but are monotheists in many respects.
Poly. In fact, I'm suspecting that the only Great Spirit is the Community of All Spirits. I once had a vision of Avatar Rama in a trance, a few years back. He told me when a god says "I am God" it's because he feels identified with all life. I think Cernunnos also told me in a trance that all spirits form "God" (yet we are separated individuals). We all create Reality together. Although all spirits have the same essence/substance/pure personality thing (not completely understandable by humans).
So when you aim at the Almighty, the only "Almighty" you're going to get, is your higher self.
Anyway, I think there's a couple of enlightened beings who take care of our Matrix/Maya and unless you call them for help, they only intervene to avoid global disasters, like a nuclear war or an asteroid (COVID-19 doesn't count... it's not deadly enough). But when you go to them, they're like meeting the reflection of your own higher self acting as male and female gods. Whether you see them as Asherah and Yaweh, Mary and Jesus, Isis and Osiris, Lilith and Samael... they're the same. Though maybe they'll give different energies and behave differently. They'll play a different game according to your beliefs and culture.
So Wiccans are right, in part... A few days ago when I was in bed I had a vision of the Moon goddess, the Triple Goddess; holding the planets as babies. So I think she's the boss. I'm going to start with her worship, then I'll see what I do. For now it feels good.
In truth I wanted to depend just on my own higher self, but anyway, I think those gods act to release our inner power. So if you go to the Moon Goddess, you activate to your inner moon; your own spirit as moon goddess. You go to Jupiter, Mars, etc. the same happens. In fact, maybe you know the planets are related to chakras.
syo
Well-Known Member
Nah, in Anarchy we don't worship.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Very interesting. Thank you.
ppp
Well-Known Member
One hears religionists tell people that they worship themselves, but I have yet to see any practical meaning to that.
firedragon
Veteran Member
In some theologies the supreme God himself is part of "yourself". And you are part of him. The concept of Hinduism as an example is that All of creation is God himself so you are in fact worshiping (if you are worshiping) a higher form of yourself or rather "the higher form" of yourself. In fact even in Abrahamic religions this philosophy has been there and has prevailed. Islamic scholar and mystic Ibn Arabi had the pantheistic idea of God. Also Sphinoza had the Panentheistic idea of God which is a little different where God is a cloven being but part of the universe.
So the rabbit hole runs deeper.
ppp
Well-Known Member
I said, practical.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Okay I get it. The thing is 10 people might have 5 different interpretations of what is practical application of a Theological concept. So why dont you give your take on whats "practical application"?
ppp
Well-Known Member
Practical meaning. Not practical application.
And it is up to the person who says to me, that I worship myself, to provide the practical meaning (if any) to their words.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats not the great approach. Its better understand someones theology even if that person is not adhering to it. There are books not written by those who adhere to a certain thing but have studied it or are scholars in the subject.
So what do you define as "practical meaning"?
ppp
Well-Known Member
It is the best approach. If that person is not adhering to a given theology, then it is not their theology, no matter who the "scholars on the subject" might be.
Setting aside the religious jargon and the epithets, what is it that I think or do that constitutes 'worship' of myself.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Hmm. There are some who consider themselves as their temple. They are practically part of God. This is a well known Hindu philosophy and part and parcel of pantheism. They meditate to progress towards enlightenment. They ponder over things to gain more insight about being. They would not do anything on the sly because they themselves are the temple. They cannot separate themselves from God so they cannot be unruly on the sly.
Thats practical meaning for them.
Have a great day.
ppp
Well-Known Member
firedragon
Veteran Member
So in your world when someone says "some" its a sidestep?
When someone asks a question about male genitalia, and someone says "there are some who are males and they have male genitalia", that's not side stepping. Thats speaking to a person who is not aware.
There are some who ask questions only to look for a way to demean the other person but not to get an answer. Uh oh. I said "some". in your world that is side stepping.
Strange.
ppp
Well-Known Member
If you want to consider yourself to have educated me on what some people may think in some context. Well done.
That responder doesn't sound very aware either. That is the sort of response that one sees from some who have no knowledge of the subject of the question. Where in their response, they repeat adjectives and nouns in the question, adding no substantive content.