astrology and magick

[darkenedheart11]

For quite some time I have been pondering the relationship between astrology and magick. If one believes in astrology then s/he would believe that our zodiac sign effects us somehow in certain ways. I feel that this also would include, or have something to do with, ones magickal abilities, or the ability to tap into the celestial powers. I believe that the elemental standards of each individual has a some effect on their hands-on spirituality.

Take a Taurus for example: The Taurus' element is earth. The Taurus is the sign that is closest to the earth, and possesses traits which exist primarily around the material aspects of life. With this being true, and the Taurus being the most physical, couldn't this have an effect on an individuals celestial/spiritual powers? As opposed to a water sign like Scorpio or Pisces, who are often natural psychics and occultists?

I believe this to be a subject worth exploring and debating.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

I believe it can. I'm not a water sign, being a Libra, but I do possess more empathy than water signs I know. Tauruses tend to be grounded, at least those I've met, and I imagine that this can effect how they approach life and their powers as well.

 

[kreeden]

What ? Feathers is a Libra .... * runs *



Sorry Feathers ... Libras and I have a histroy .... hehe . I am a double water sign , as I stated on this topic in the Pagan forum { I should post my relpy there here , and keep this to one thread ... } , however , I feel that I'm as connected to the Earth as I am Water . Which is the problem I tend to run into with Libras ... Libras are balanced , but when they get out of balance ... look out .

 

[kreeden]

My post from the Pagan thread ...

As opposed to a water sign like Scorpio or Pisces, who are often natural psychics and occultists?

So that explains it . I'm a Scorpio , with Pisces rising ....

A lot of people believe that Darkened , but I refuse to believe that something so far from me has much influence on who I am . After all , wouldn't the Earth and our own sun have more influence on each of us then some star lightyears away ?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Which is the problem I tend to run into with Libras ... Libras are balanced , but when they get out of balance ... look out .

Hehehee, you're right about when they get out of balance. I prefer to look at it as taking a stand on something when you're usually a waffler. It's odd, because my totem animal is normally associated with the air element, as are Libras, but I feel much more of a connection with water. Of course, I'm hardly ever grounded, and find earth and fire two of the most difficult elements to relate to, too.

 

[Prima]

To the original topic...

There is nothing that says those who believe in astrology have to believe in magic. It's true that the two often come as a package. It's MORE true, however, that the two are often lumped together by the ignorant. (those crazy Catholics, for example ) But like magick and Wicca, just because the two are often together doesn't mean they have to be. I know people who practice magick but think astrology is bull**** - more often the other way around. The great thing about magick is that there are no set rules for what you have to believe in.

Could the two have an effect on each other? certainly. But everything has an effect on something else. My experiences as a child, my past lives, my family - everything has an effect.

And then there are the exceptions, of course. I don't follow astrology much, but I do know that I'm a Pisces and I'm a child of earth! There are several other people I know who don't fit their sign exactly. Exceptions like these can cause problems if you assume that your sign is effecting your magick. For example, I'm not a psychic. Or rather, if I am, it hasn't come to fruition. I'm very close to the earth. So if I were to assume that I should work with water trying to do psychic exercises, I would be frustrated at the very least! at the worst, I would screw something up badly. (as I side note, I'm also very material. I do like my ritualistic objects )

So I guess what I'm saying is yes, but not always.

 

[darkenedheart11]

This post was obviously meant for people believing in both astrology and magick. I'm not asking the people whether they believe in either or not, but simply making an effort to help explain a possibility of a connection between the to the two, and hopefuly end up with some productive conclusions.

Astrology is not limited to your sun sign and moon sign. You have to aslo take into consideration that each planet influences everyone in some way, depending on what constellation or sign each planet themselves resided in given your time of birth. For example, Venus may have been 12 degrees into Scorpio when you were born. That would have some effect on you in some way.

If you don't believe in Astrology, or at least have knowledge of Astrology, you can't possibly comprehend or help in productive way so it would be best of you just ingnored this post entirely.

 

[Prima]

If you don't believe in Astrology, or at least have knowledge of Astrology, you can't possibly comprehend or help in productive way so it would be best of you just ingnored this post entirely.

At RF we let everyone talk no matter what they know. Maybe what they say doesn't help you, but it may help someone else. Anyone who doesn't comprehend may, by discussing in this thread, comprehend. And who's to say that they don't comprehend better than you?

There is a lot to astrology. But since obviously no one knows as much about it as you, I suppose we'll all just have to ignore your posts entirely.

 

[darkenedheart11]

At RF we let everyone talk no matter what they know. Maybe what they say doesn't help you, but it may help someone else. Anyone who doesn't comprehend may, by discussing in this thread, comprehend. And who's to say that they don't comprehend better than you?

There is a lot to astrology. But since obviously no one knows as much about it as you, I suppose we'll all just have to ignore your posts entirely.

I have no objections to people stating their opinions 'no matter what they know', but isn't it custom to reply to the actual topic of discusion? How much help could a person having no belief or knowledge of Astrology possibly offer in this discussion? My last comment on my previous post was really just an attempt to avoid people like you, who just make up excuses in order to disagree with someone by twisting opinionated statements into offensive gestures, and the classic bull**** post which are fudamentally created for the perpus of increasing the number of posts. There is no need for that kind of time consuming waist, because all the matters is the information which could eventually lead to a greater understanding of the self. It's obvious that you didn't understand the point I was trying to make and there is no need for a battle of egotistical views here.

I'm not saying that I comprehend better than anyone else nor saying that I know more than anyone else does. I'm actually kind of confused of why you made those comments in the first place. All I am doing is providing a gateway that could possibly lead to a better and greater understanding of the self. Forgive me if I may have seemed like I was 'commanding' specific orders to people. I suppose that was just a reflection of my Satanic Personality.

As for you ignoring my posts, I'm sorry that as a student of religion, one like yourself, would attempt to act as a barrier against possible discovery.

 

[kreeden]

I believe this to be a subject worth exploring and debating.

Ok , this part of the forum isn't for debates . I'm sorry if that was what I appeared to do Darkened . Truth is , I'm interested in the connection between the two also , although I tend to think that the connection is ... well , subjective to what the individual believes .

So I will just ask one question here . If you wish for " a better and greater understanding of the self " , then why look to the stars and not yourself ?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Yup, sorry. Should you wish to debate, we've got another forum for that.

 

[Prima]

My last comment on my previous post was really just an attempt to avoid people like you, who just make up excuses in order to disagree with someone by twisting opinionated statements into offensive gestures, and the classic bull**** post which are fudamentally created for the perpus of increasing the number of posts.

But...I agreed with your original point :biglaugh:

 

[michel]

I think I'll steer clear of this one !!!!(hides in corner):jiggy:

 

[Druidus]

I'm a Taurus. Am I "grounded"? I must say, I have little faith in astrology. Perhaps someone could enlighten me? Someone on another forum could guess several things about how I look, based on my sign. For instance, she said that many Taureans have deep, wise eyes, which is a remark I've gotten several times in RL.

 

[darkenedheart11]

Ok , this part of the forum isn't for debates . I'm sorry if that was what I appeared to do Darkened . Truth is , I'm interested in the connection between the two also , although I tend to think that the connection is ... well , subjective to what the individual believes .

So I will just ask one question here . If you wish for " a better and greater understanding of the self " , then why look to the stars and not yourself ?

You're right. This part of the forum isn't for debates, so lets just stick to the exploring part shall we.

As for me looking to the stars and not myself...The stars influence the self so when you look to the stars you are really looking to yourself, and somewhat vise versa. I have a good understanding of myself and my magickal capabilities, now I just need to fill in the blanks to get an understanding of 'why' I am who I am. The key to that door is in Astrology.

 

[darkenedheart11]

But...I agreed with your original point :biglaugh:

In your first post you stated that you don't follow astrology much. First of all, like I've been saying, if you don't have enough knowledge of Astrology then how can you provide helpful information in the discussion of the issue? It's rather obvious that you don't because you said that you know some people who don't fit their sign exactly. If you did you would know that Astrology is NOT limited to their Sun Sign. If you don't understand that then I rest my case.

I'm glad that you agree.

By the way your post before this one was clearly meant to be offensive, so you will have to excuse my instinctively defensive replies.

 

[darkenedheart11]

Prima, I think I know what set you off. My reply to you on the first page (my second post) was not intended to point specifically at you. I apologize for not making that clear and not noticing it sooner. You probably read it like I was talking directly to you, and I can see how that might be offensive. It was mainly to just get rid of the lamers who try to talk about a subject they know nothing about.

 

[darkenedheart11]

I'm a Taurus. Am I "grounded"? I must say, I have little faith in astrology. Perhaps someone could enlighten me? Someone on another forum could guess several things about how I look, based on my sign. For instance, she said that many Taureans have deep, wise eyes, which is a remark I've gotten several times in RL.

Go to an Astrology website and get a Free Personal Astrology Chart to get a better view of your astrological standings.

Just because your Sun Sign is simply Taurus, being an earth sign, I wouldn't assume that you would be "grounded". You may in fact be grounded if you were an earth sign in all aspects, but I'm not sure if that is even possible. These include, and may not be limited to, your Rising Sign, Sun Sign, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Node. It gets really complicated, but the more you know the more it will help understand yourself. I would advise for everyone to get their Astrology Chart, it will provide great insight.

My Rising sign is Virgo, Sun Sign is Taurus, and Moon Sign is also Taurus. All three of those are associated with the Earth element. Also my Jupiter and Neptune are associated with Earth. I have 5 Earth signs, 3 Fire, 3 Water, and 1 Air. I think that a distinctive amount of one element within someone would have a obvious effect on one's celestial power, being helpful or not helpful, and I have my myself as evidence. I need others to expand my theory farther.

I believe that celestial, spiritual, and psychic powers, are mainly associated with Water, and Fire signs. Earth is mainly associated with the physical realm and terrestrial aspects. I have reason to believe this. I've been a firm practitioner of witchcraft for a long time, every since I was very young, and I've been associated with others who are into the arts also. My occult abilities on a magickal level, in my opinion, are not as advanced as they should be. I have compared myself to some others in many different ways and could find no reason why they were obtaining power faster than I was. An elder of a coven told me that he couldn't see why either because I was tested and favored among them. I'm not saying that I don't have any power at all, I'm just saying that I think that I'm not as powerful as I should be, and I think my astrological status has a lot to do with it. I have a few friends who have been in the game about as long as I have, and some seem to get faster results and more 'spiritual action' than I do, when in reality, I am more timely dedicated than they are. Among them is one who rarely does anything magickal, and who seems to just be a natural occultist. It's aggravating! Also he happens to be associated with 4 water signs, 4 fire signs, 2 air, and 2 earth. I can do almost everything he can do, but just not with the same amount of energy it seems. Like my results will take a few days longer than his, and the effect of the spell won't be quite as bold as his is. *growl*

Maybe this will help people have a better understanding.

 

[Druidus]

I understand what you are saying. I will go to such a site to explore, before I make my conclusion. Can you reccomend any? Do you believe that forcasts can be made based on a person's sign?

 

[kreeden]

I have a good understanding of myself and my magickal capabilities, now I just need to fill in the blanks to get an understanding of 'why' I am who I am. The key to that door is in Astrology.

Fair enough . I started my own chart , way back some ... 25 years ago , but never finished it . I do find the concept interesting . Best of luck on your quest .