syo
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yes, it is one of the reasons why many people have a religion.You suppose they use fear of death to convince themselves of belief?
Seems plausible, if self-deceptive.
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yes, it is one of the reasons why many people have a religion.You suppose they use fear of death to convince themselves of belief?
Seems plausible, if self-deceptive.
because it doesn't have a body anymore, so the self needs something else, god.Okay, so let's say we've somehow established that our conscious/self lives on after our physical body dies and rots away. Why do you assert that a supernatural god being is required to keep a conscious/self intact?
because it's a reality, and reality doesn't disappear.How do you know that it is even possible for this assumed conscious/self that exists after a body dies to ever NOT be intact?
because it doesn't have a body anymore, so the self needs something else, god.
because it's a reality, and reality doesn't disappear.
yes, it is one of the reasons why many people have a religion.
the body is the ''vessel'' of self. we can't conceive a self without it's body. we simply can't. when we die the body/vessel rots. then the self needs another vessel, god. the evidence is that self can't exist on it's own, it's impossible to conceive anything without a body. can you conceive anything that isn't printed in a body? no you can't. the evidence is actually empirical, from what we understand of reality, of what we see.WHY does a conscious/self NEED anything else? Why can't conscious/self exist WITHOUT a body or God?
the body is the ''vessel'' of self. we can't conceive a self without it's body. we simply can't. when we die the body/vessel rots. then the self needs another vessel, god. the evidence is that self can't exist on it's own, it's impossible to conceive anything without a body. can you conceive anything that isn't printed in a body? no you can't. the evidence is actually empirical, from what we understand of reality, of what we see.
suppose atheism is correct and there is no god. what happens when we die?
That's it.
If we are not reborn, lights out. Nothing to do with atheism. There are religions that believe in the afterlife without the existence of a god.
What's interesting is I am getting more comfortable with "nothing will exist" since my aunt/my friend passed away three weeks ago. She's not here. Why would I think she would be anywhere else but in the hearts of her family, friends, and people who wished her well living?
Carlita,
You are right about you aunt being in the thoughts of family and friends, but there is another one, even more important, God. The chances are very good that she is in God’s memory, which means that she will be resurrected, to life again, in a paradise earth, John 5:25-28, Revelation 21:1-8.
Your aunt is almost certain to be back on earth in a few years
from now, but will you be there to welcome her back? The ones who are living when Jesus comes again must Know God and obey The lord Jesus, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10. We must all become doers of the word and not hearers only, James 1:21-25, and followers of Jesus Christ, 1Peter 2:21, Acts 4:10-12.
God does not want to destroy anyone, but the end of this old system of things is very near, 2Peter 3:9.
All the things Jesus told would be happening when he returns are happening NOW, and on an unpresedented scale, Matthew chapter 24. With so much evidence there can be no doubt!!!
This. And since the former is impossible...Either non existence or something else.
i don't have any.First off, being 'unable to concieve' of something is not evidence that it doesn't exist. Second, I agree that all of the empirical evidence points to the reality that a physical body is required to produce conscious/self. HOWEVER, you started off this discussion declaring that conscious/self DOES continue to exist after the body dies. I agreed to ASSUME that this is true, but then asked for your EVIDENCE that a conscious/self that CAN exist without a physical body would SOMEHOW require a God in order to exist. I'm STILL waiting for you to provide any such evidence.
i think that native Americans knew a lot!Regarding: "conscious/self". How does one become a `vessel` ?
What is the mind/form from which cognition operates.
It seems to be independant from all other bodily entities.
It seems that it's part of the brain, but totally seperate.
The question is, why can't it go forward without the operating mind ?
Nothing in this thread really answers that question,
without the adaptation of the invinsible `gods or idols`.
Maybe the `spirit` comes before the body, and leaves on death.
Maybe the native Americans had something right there.
But....no `gods or idols` are needed in that case.
Maybe we still have a chance after all !
Maybe Thief has it right after all, don't tell him I said that.
i believe all humanity should follow jesus' teachings alongside with their individual beliefs.syo,
An atheist will get the same eventuality as any beast, or a person who claims to believe, but does not obey God’s words, Ecclesiastes 3:17-22, Acts 4:8-12.
When Jesus came to earth, he died so that all people, who put their trust in him will be resurrected back to life, on a paradise earth. This is a gift from God, Only to those who have faith in Jesus Ransom Sacrifice, 1Timothy 2:1-6. This great Sacrifice of Jesus will only be given to those who obey the word of God and follow Jesus’ footsteps, 1Peter 2:21, John 15:10, 20:31. Jesus’ Ransom Sacrifice is meant for everyone, but there is NO Sacrifice for ones who do not become doers of the word and not hearers only, James 1:21-25, Hebrews 10:26-31.
i don't have any.